Tbe foregoing summary oftbe evidence suffices as a general outline of tbe facts surrounding tbe difficulty. Tbe defendant insists that be fired tbe fatal shot *474 in defense of his father, and he thereby assumed under the law the same attitude, so far as his right to invoke the doctrine of self-defense is concerned, which his father occupied with reference to the difficulty. Upon this theory the cause was tried. All the evidence tends to show that the defendant did not fire the fatal shot until after he had seen his father felled to the ground by the blow inflicted by deceased with a glass demijohn, and that he fired immediately upon seeing his father so struck. He had only recently 'arrived upon the scene, and the jury could infer that he had no knowledge of what had previously occurred. There was also evidence tending to show there were previously no ill feelings between the deceased and defendant or defendant’s father.

The question is presented for determination here as to whether or not the facts and circumstances of this case call for instructions by the court to the jury upon manslaughter in the first degree. This we consider the question of prime importance on this appeal.

“Whether or not the homicide is the offspring of malice is the characteristic which distinguishes murder and manslaughter. In consideration of the infirmities of humanity, the law regards a sudden transport of passion, caused by adequate provocation, as sufficient to rebut the imputation of malice which would otherwise arise. In such case, the law imputes the homicide to inherent frailty, instead of malice, or formed design. * * * A killing in sudden passion, excited by sufficient provocation, without malice, is manslaughter.” Reeves v. State, 186 Ala. 14, 65 South. 160.

“The distinction between murder and voluntary manslaughter is found in the dividing line between malicious action on the one hand and action in the heat of passion on the other. Malice and heat of passion cannot coexist. Again, voluntary manslaughter differs from homicide which the law deems excusable because committed in self-defense in that in the one case there is an apparent necessity for self-preservation to kill the aggressor, and in the other no necessity at all.” 13 R. C. L. 786; State v. Roberts, 8 N. C. 349, 9 Am. Dec. 643.

“A killing in sudden passion excited by sufficient provocation, without malice, is manslaughter, ‘not because the law supposes that this passion made him [the slayer] unconscious of what he was about to do, and stripped the act of killing of an intent to commit it, but because it presumes that passion disturbed the sway of reason, and made him regardless of her admonitions. It does not look upon him as temporarily deprived of intellect, and therefore not an accountable agent, but as one in whom the exercise of judgment is impeded by the violence of excitement and accountable therefor as an infirm human being.’ ” Smith v. State, 83 Ala. 26, 3 South. 551.

The case of Smith v. State, supra, is cited in note to Johnson v. State,'9 Ann. Gas. 923, where are to be found several authorities bearing upon the question of the extent of mental disturbance, essential to passion, which may reduce felonious killing to manslaughter. See, also, Martin v. State, 119 Ala. 1, 25 South. 255.

Much discussion of the question here under consideration is found in Commonwealth v. Paese, 220 Pa. 371, 69 Atl. 891, 17 L. R. A. (N. S.) 795, 123 Am. St. Rep. 699, 13 Ann. Cas. 1081, and in the note thereto several authorities collected which are of interest in this connection, in that case the court recognized that a violent assault, or serious injury, to a near relative in the immediate presence of the defendant may be sufficient provocation to cause sudden passion to the extent of reducing the degree of homicide to that of manslaughter. The following excerpts from that opinion are here pertinent:

“What is sufficient provocation for this purpose has not been exactly defined, and is probably incapable of exact definition, for it must vary with the myriad shifting circumstances of men’s temper and quarrels. It is a concession to the infirmity of human nature, not an excuse for undue or abnormal irascibility, and, there.fore, to be considered in view of all the circumstances. * * * On the other hand, certain circumstances have been held to be sufficient provocation. Thus, in general, serious injury immediately inflicted or threatened, to wife (or husband), child or servant will, on account of the relationship of the parties, reduce the killing to manslaughter in similar cases as if the injury had been to self.”

In the note to this case the author makes the following observation:

“The reported ease draws a distinction between a homicide committed by a friend of the person killed or assaulted and a homicide committed by a relative of such person. On achount of the relationship of the parties, it is usually held that the killing or assaulting of a near relative is a provocation legally sufficient to produce passion, which reduces to manslaughter a murder committed by a person while he is incapable of cool reflection.”

A number of cases are there cited by the author in support of this statement, together with the following quotation from Guffee v. State, 8 Tex. App. 187:

“Certainly, to one at all familiar with the promptings of the human heart and the motives by which men are governed in their resentments and affections, it cannot be a matter of serious question that the death of a brother by the violence of another, in the immediate presence of one, is better calculated to produce in a person of ordinary temper, a greater degree of anger, rage, or resentment, than any of the causes particularly designated in the statute, and that such an occurrence is amply sufficient to render the mind incapable of cool reflection.”

The question was squarely presented in the case of Pearce v. State, 4 Ala. App. 32, 58 South. 996, and that authority was cited with approval by this court in Reeves v. State, supra. In the Pearce Case it was said:

“It is not our understanding of the law that if a man provokes a difficulty, and then after-wards is forced, by an unanticipated deadly assault of his adversary, to take his adversary’s life to protect his own, such a man is as matter of law necessarily guilty of murder in one of its degrees,' and not of manslaughter in the first degree.”

[1] We are of the opinion that under the evidence in this case it was for the jury to say whether or not the fatal shot was fired by the defendant in a sudden passion excited by sufficient provocation upon seeing his father struck to the ground. Pearce v. State, *475 supra; Wharton on Homicide (2d Ed.) § 446, and authorities supra.

Charges 16 and 27 embraced the constituent elements of manslaughter in the-first degree, and are applicable to the tendencies of the evidence in this case. The defendant in no way received the benefit of a consideration by the jury of his guilt of this degree of the homicide. The right of the defendant to have the jury instructed as to the law of manslaughter in the first degree affected most seriously his substantial rights, and the refusal of charges 16 and 27 must work a reversal of the cause. Reeves v. State, supra.

[2, 3] We find no error in the action of the court in permitting the solicitor to talk to some of the state’s witnesses together before the trial had begun. These are matters resting within the sound discretion of the court. Ryan v. Couch, 66 Ala. 244; 38 Cyc. p. 1369. Nor was there error in permitting the solicitor to challenge one juror for cause after having waived this course as to the other jurors. Harrison v. State, 79 Ala. 29.

[4] Upon cross-examination there is allowed great latitude. The defendant introduced a number of witnesses who testified to the good character of defendant and his father; the latter having also testified in the cause. Upon cross-examination of these witnesses the state was permitted to ask if they had not heard of the 'defendant and his father being drunk and gambling with cards. We are of the opinion that in this there was no reversible error. (Testimony that they had so heard of defendant and his father is permissible on cross-examination not as evidence affecting the character of the defendant, but as evidence affecting the credibility of the witnesses testifying to good character.) Carson v. State, 128 Ala. 58, 29 South. 608; Andrews v. State, 159 Ala. 14, 48 South. 858; Moulton v. State, 88 Ala. 116, 6 South. 758, 6 1. E, A. 301; Williams v. State, 144 Ala. 14, 40 South. 405; Smith v. State, 103 Ala. 57, 15 South. 866; Thompson v. State, 100 Ala. 70, 14 South. 878; Ingram v. State, 67 Ala. 67; 40 Cyc. p. 2496; Ency. of Ev. vol. 3, p. 49.

[5] The state also asked some of defendant’s witnesses on cross-examination if they did not drink together and play cards with the defendant and his father. This was proper on cross-examination as tending to show the relation existing between the parties and the person for whom they testified as having some bearing before the jury on the question of bias. Rutledge v. Rowland, 161 Ala. 114, 49 South. 461.

[6] There was no evidence offered by the state tending to show that the defendant’s father had been a party to any of the quarrels between deceased and Lon Wallace previous to the time when they reached the spot at which the killing occurred. It was proper, as the court permitted, that it be shown that the previous difficulty was between the deceased and said Wallace, and that the father of defendant had merely intervened as a peacemaker, and that such quarrels-had been repeated at the different places; but we see no occasion for the details of the difficulty between Wallace and the deceased to be brought out. These details would shed no legitimate light upon the material questions here involved, and we are of the opinion that the court permitted sufficient evidence as to what occurred previously between Wallace and the deceased. What we have here said should be of sufficient guide for another trial.

For the error indicated, the judgment is reversed, and the cause remanded.

Reversed and remanded.