Poppert v. O'Malley

U.S. District Court, District of Minnesota

Poppert v. O'Malley

Trial Court Opinion

                 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT                            
                    DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA                                

Julie L.P.,                             Case No. 23-cv-2980 (PJS/ECW)    

          Plaintiff,                                                     

v.                                REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION              

Martin J. O’Malley,                                                      
Commissioner of Social Security Admin.,                                  

          Defendant.                                                     


    This matter is before the Court on Julie L.P.’s (“Plaintiff”) Complaint seeking 
judicial review of a final decision by the Commissioner denying her application for 
supplemental security income. (See generally Dkt. 1.)  The parties have filed briefs 
“present[ing] for decision” Plaintiff’s request for judicial review of the final decision of 
the Commissioner of Social Security (“the Commissioner”).1  (See Dkts. 14, 16.) 
    For the reasons stated below, Plaintiff’s request for reversal or remand of the 
Commissioner’s decision (Dkt. 14) should be denied and the Commissioner’s request that 
the Court affirm the decision (Dkt. 16) should be granted.                


1    As of December 1, 2022, Social Security Actions under 
42 U.S.C. § 405
(g) are 
“presented for decision on the parties’ briefs,” rather than summary judgment motions. 
Supplemental Rules for Social Security Actions under 
42 U.S.C. § 405
(g), Rule 5. 
                      I.   BACKGROUND                                    
    On October 18, 2021, Plaintiff protectively filed an application for Title XVI 

Supplemental Security Income, alleging disability as of April 27, 2017, due to major 
depression and an anxiety disorder.  (R. 287-91, 321.)2  Her application was denied 
initially and on reconsideration.  (R. 200-203, 216-220.)  Plaintiff requested a hearing, 
and on July 19, 2022, Plaintiff appeared for an online video hearing before 
Administrative Law Judge Corey Ayling (“the ALJ”).  (R. 108.)  The ALJ issued an 
unfavorable decision on August 18, 2022, finding Plaintiff was not disabled.  (R. 108-

121.)                                                                     
    Following the five-step sequential evaluation process under 
20 C.F.R. § 416.920
(a),3 the ALJ first determined at step one that Plaintiff had not engaged in 
substantial gainful activity since August 27, 2021, the application date.  (R. 110.) 


2    The Social Security Administrative Record (“R.”) is available at Docket 13. 

3    The Eighth Circuit described this five-step process that the Commissioner of 
Social Security must use as follows:                                      

    (1) whether the claimant is currently engaged in substantial gainful activity; 
    (2) whether the claimant’s impairments are so severe that they significantly 
    limit  the  claimant’s  physical  or  mental  ability  to  perform  basic  work 
    activities; (3) whether the claimant has impairments that meet or equal a 
    presumptively disabling impairment specified in the regulations; (4) whether 
    the claimant’s [residual functional capacity (“RFC”)] is sufficient for her to 
    perform her past work; and finally, if the claimant cannot perform the past 
    work, the burden shifts to the Commissioner to prove that (5) there are other 
    jobs  in  the  national  economy  that  the  claimant  can  perform  given  the 
    claimant’s RFC, age, education and work experience.                  

Cox v. Astrue, 
495 F.3d 614, 617
 (8th Cir. 2007).                         
    At step two, the ALJ determined that Plaintiff had the following severe 
impairments: generalized anxiety disorder; major depressive disorder; obesity; and 

posttraumatic stress disorder (“PTSD”).  (R. 110.)                        
    At the third step, the ALJ determined that Plaintiff did not have an impairment or 
combination of impairments that met or medically equaled the severity of one of the 
listed impairments in 20 C.F.R. part 404, subpart P, appendix 1.  (R. 111.)   
    At step four, after reviewing the entire record, the ALJ concluded that Plaintiff had 
the residual functional capacity (“RFC”) as follows:                      

    I find that the claimant has the residual functional capacity to perform light 
    work as defined in 20 CFR 416.967(b) except occasional climbing of ramps 
    and stairs, no climbing of ladders, ropes, or scaffolds; regarding balancing, 
    no  running,  crouching,  standing,  or  walking  on  slippery,  narrow,  or 
    erratically  moving  surfaces;  but  retains  the  ability  to  maintain  physical 
    equilibrium while on feet for 8 hours so she would be on her feet for 8 hours 
    but  no  crouching,  standing,  walking,  running  on  slippery,  narrow,  or 
    erratically  moving  surfaces.  Environmental  limitations:  no  work  at 
    unprotected heights; no work near moving mechanical parts (i.e., the kind of 
    moving  machinery  such  that  a  loss  of  balance  and  proximity  to  that 
    machinery  would  pose  severe  safety  hazard  to  life  or  limb).  Mental 
    restrictions,  as  followed:  the  individual  can  understand,  carryout,  and 
    remember simple instructions, and use judgment as necessary to complete 
    simple, routine, and repetitive tasks; the individual can adapt to and manage 
    changes in a routine work setting, such as changes in processes and products 
    that can be learned in a manner and time consistent with SVP 1 or SVP 2 
    work; regarding social interactions, the individual can respond appropriately 
    to supervision, co-workers, and usual work situations, but no complex team 
    work or other social interaction requiring a code lower than “8” on the people 
    scale of the DOT, 1991 revised edition. Also, pose a pace restriction, as 
    follows,  able  to  meet  the  production  standards  of  simple,  routine,  and 
    repetitive work, but no assembly line work or other work similarly requiring 
    varying fast pace.                                                   

(R. 113.)  The ALJ found that Plaintiff has no past relevant work.  (R. 119.)   
    At the fifth step of the sequential analysis, and based on the testimony of the 
vocational expert (“VE”), the ALJ found that considering Plaintiff’s age, education, work 

experience, and RFC, there were jobs that exist in significant numbers in the national 
economy that Plaintiff could perform, including: inspector, hand packager (DOT code 
559.687-074, light, unskilled, SVP 2); small products assembler, bench (DOT code 
706.684-022, light, unskilled, SVP 2); and marker (DOT code 209.587-034, light, 
unskilled, SVP 2).  (R. 120.)                                             
    Accordingly, the ALJ deemed Plaintiff not disabled from the date of her August 

27, 2021 application, through the date of the ALJ’s decision on August 1, 2022.  (R. 120-
21.)                                                                      
    Plaintiff requested review of the decision, and the Appeals Council denied 
Plaintiff’s request for review, which made the ALJ’s decision the final decision of the 
Commissioner.  (R. 1-4.)  Plaintiff then commenced this action for judicial review.  (Dkt. 

1.)                                                                       
    The Court has reviewed the entire administrative record, giving particular 
attention to the facts and records cited by the parties.  The Court will recount the facts of 
record to the extent they are helpful for context or necessary for resolution of the specific 
issues presented in the parties’ motions.  In this case, because Plaintiff’s challenge is 

limited to an issue relating to her mental health, the Court recounts only the record and 
testimony relevant to that impairment.                                    
                    II.  RELEVANT RECORD                                 
    Predating her August 27, 2021 application date, Plaintiff was diagnosed with 

major depressive disorder, recurrent (ranging between moderate and mild), generalized 
anxiety disorder, and PTSD, and sought mental health treatment for the same, including 
psychotherapy and medication for her depression and anxiety.  (See, e.g., R. 417, 419-34, 
443, 445-56, 459, 461, 486, 470, 474, 477-78, 487, 491, 499, 503, 510-11, 514-15, 522-
23, 527, 543, 547, 560-61, 569, 577-81, 593, 597, 601-04, 609, 617-188, 625-30, 633-34, 
637-43, 650, 654-55, 659, 663, 675, 708-09.)  On August 10, 2021, her therapist noted as 

follows:                                                                  
    Distress tolerance. Client reports her psychiatry provider has recommended 
    she work toward taking solo trips in her car to run errands, rather than always 
    going with someone else. She says she is willing to try short trips, but feels 
    calm and safe when  accompanied. She says she has no trouble  finding 
    someone in her building to go, so her needs are being met. She says she is 
    getting along with all other residents, with no one giving her “drama.” 
    Discussed ways she is contributing to the peace. Processed emotions in 
    session, validated, supportive counseling.                           

(R. 666.)  Plaintiff was able to stay at her brother’s house after her sister’s surgery to help 
care for her.  (R. 670.)  Plaintiff also noted that there was a potential for “conflict and 
drama” with others in her apartment building, but that she was able to effectively use her 
skills to deal with any challenges.  (R. 670.)                            
    On August 24, 2021, Plaintiff reported that she had felt tired after socializing over 
the previous day, but that it could have been the result of being physically tired.  (R. 674.)  
She also reported, “relationships going well in her building and good use of skills.”  (R. 
674.)                                                                     
    On August 31, 2021, Plaintiff reported no changes in her symptoms and that she 
was using skills learned during therapy to effectively manage relationships in her 

apartment building.  (R. 677.)  The mental health examination showed that she was 
oriented and pleasant; showed normal speech, an anxious mood, and appropriate affect; 
and that her insight was fair.  (R. 678.)  Her diagnosis was major depressive disorder, 
recurrent, moderate, and generalized anxiety disorder.  (R. 678-79.)      
    On September 13, 2021, Plaintiff reported that she could not do her “homework” 
involving driving alone to a fast-food restaurant and ordering from her car because she 

was afraid to eat in her car in the parking lot due to feeling vulnerable to someone 
approaching the car.  (R. 710.)  Plaintiff did share that she went to some garage sales 
alone without needing someone to accompany her.  (R. 710.)  She also shared that she 
and her brother had a tradition of meeting at Costco, doing grocery shopping together, 
then eating lunch there, which comforted Plaintiff.  (R. 710.)  Plaintiff had frequent 

contact with supportive family and friends.  (R. 711.)  Plaintiff was diagnosed with major 
depressive disorder, recurrent, mild, generalized anxiety disorder, and PTSD.  (R. 711.)  
The mental health examination showed that she was alert and oriented, showed 
appropriate behavior, her affect was constricted but congruent, and she was able to 
articulate her feelings well.  (R. 710.)                                  

    On September 21, 2021, Plaintiff reported no changes in her symptoms and that 
she was using skills learned during therapy to effectively manage relationships in her 
apartment building.  (R. 682.)  She was sad that one of her friends in her building was 
leaving.  (R. 683.)  The mental health examination showed that she was oriented and 
cooperative; she showed normal speech, a grieving mood, and appropriate affect; and her 
insight was fair.  (R. 683.)  Her diagnosis was major depressive disorder, recurrent, 

moderate, and generalized anxiety disorder.  (R. 684.)                    
    On October 1, 2021, Plaintiff reported no changes in her symptoms and that she 
was using skills learned during therapy to effectively manage relationships in her 
apartment building.  (R. 687.)  She was upset that a resident in her building was saying 
untrue things about her behavior.  (R. 688.)  The mental health examination showed that 
Plaintiff was oriented and cooperative; she showed normal speech, an angry and anxious 

mood, and appropriate affect; and her insight was fair.  (R. 688.)  Her diagnosis was 
major depressive disorder, recurrent, moderate, and generalized anxiety disorder with no 
changes noted in her medications.  (R. 688-89.)                           
    On October 5, 2021, Plaintiff was feeling less distressed about her interactions 
with other residents.  (R. 692.)  She claimed it was exhausting, but she was able to 

manage her emotions.  (R. 692.)  Plaintiff also reported being anxious about an upcoming 
housing inspection.  (R. 692.)  It was noted that there was no change in her medications, 
but that she had missed one dose the previous week.  (R. 692.)            
    On October 11, 2021, Plaintiff reported recent improvement, had a good visit with 
her brother and his family, and had made up with a friend in her building.  (R. 712.)  

Plaintiff showed a brighter mood.  (R. 712.)  Plaintiff received a refill on all her 
psychiatric medications.  (R. 713-14.)                                    
    On October 12, 2021, Plaintiff reported unhappiness “with the support and 
services offered by her County Case Manager” and said “the Manager often blames 
[Plaintiff] when she is mistreated by others in her housing and generally does not provide 
services or advocacy.”  (R. 696.)  The mental health examination showed that she was 

oriented and pleasant, showed normal speech, an angry mood, and appropriate affect; and 
her insight was fair.  (R. 696.)                                          
    On October 19, 2021, Plaintiff reported that she was going to see her uncle the 
same day, which typically improved her mood and that she seeking to replace her case 
manager.  (R. 700.)  The mental health examination showed that Plaintiff was oriented 
and friendly; she showed normal speech, an angry mood, and appropriate affect; and her 

insight was fair.  (R. 700.)                                              
    On November 2, 2021, Plaintiff was seen for a follow up counseling session, 
during which she reported that she had an episode with another resident in her apartment 
building that was sexually inappropriate.  (R. 799.)  Plaintiff asserted that she was angry 
and would discuss the issue with building management.  (R. 799.)  On November 9, 

2021, Plaintiff reported that she told building management about the individual and was 
able to get past the episode.  (R. 810.)                                  
    On or about November 8, 2021, Plaintiff was assigned a case manager from the 
Guild to address her goals of improved hygiene, supporting her mental health by 
socializing with peers, and obtaining social security benefits.  (R. 773-74.)  A mental 

health examination on the same day showed that she was oriented, showed normal 
speech, was anxious and in an angry mood, had an appropriate affect, and that her insight 
was fair.  (R. 800.)                                                      
    During a November 11, 2021 visit for skin reaction, Plaintiff’s mental exam 
showed that her mentation was normal, and that she had a normal and bright affect.  (R. 

822.)                                                                     
    On November 15, 2021, Plaintiff reported that she was afraid of her building 
caretaker and did not want to talk about it out of fear that she would be overheard.  (R. 
725.)  Plaintiff also noted that she had a recent visit with her brother and that she was 
going to her neighbor’s place for Thanksgiving Day.  (R. 725.)  The mental health 
examination showed that she was oriented and friendly; showed appropriate behavior; 

spoke softly’ was able to articulate needs well; and her affect was calm and pleasant, 
constricted, but congruent.  (R. 725.)                                    
    On November 30, 2021, Plaintiff reported to her case manger that she was not 
meeting her socialization goals because she is shy.  (R. 763.)            
    On December 6, 2021, Plaintiff reported to her therapist that she was doing well.  

(R. 723.)                                                                 
    On December 7, 2021, Plaintiff told her therapist that “she has been able to 
navigate the ‘dysfunctional’ neighbors’ relationship fairly effectively using interpersonal 
effectiveness skills.”  (R. 851.)  She also reported feeling “low” due to the anniversary of 
the death of her father.  (R. 851.)                                       

    On December 8, 2021, Plaintiff reported seeing her friends at her apartment for 
fun and that she gotten closer to her brothers.  (R. 756.)                
    On December 10, 2021, Plaintiff reported to her case manager that she was “doing 
well”.  (R. 752.)  She had been talking to her friends and her brothers.  (R. 752.)  
    On December 15, 2021, Plaintiff reported to her case manager that she did not like 
the building caretaker because she was bossy.  (R. 749.)                  

    On December 16, 2021, state agency psychologist Erika Gilyot-Montgomery, 
PsyD, opined that Plaintiff had severe medically determined mental impairments of a 
Schizophrenia Spectrum and Other Psychotic Disorders; depressive, bipolar and related 
disorder; an anxiety related disorder; and a trauma-stressor related disorder.  (R. 184.)  As 
part of the social interaction portion of the mental RFC, Dr. Gilyot-Montgomery opined 
that Plaintiff was not significantly limited as to her ability to ask simple questions or 

request assistance and her ability to maintain socially appropriate behavior and adhere to 
basic standards of neatness and cleanliness.  (R. 185.)  Dr. Gilyot-Montgomery also 
found that Plaintiff was moderately limited as to her ability to: interact appropriately with 
the general public, accept instructions and criticism from supervisors, and get along with 
coworkers or peers without distracting them or exhibiting behavioral extremes.  (R. 185.)  

Dr. Gilyot-Montgomery went on to find that: “Due to psych sxs, mild paranoia and social 
isolation, Clmt is able to interact briefly and superficially with public and others in a 
work setting.”  (R. 185.)                                                 
    On March 10, 2022, on reconsideration, state agency psychologist Russell Ludke, 
PhD, LP, found the same limitations as Dr. Gilyot-Montgomery with respect to Plaintiff’s 

social functioning.  (R. 195-96.)                                         
    On December 20, 2021, Plaintiff reported that she was sad about the death of a 
medical provider that she had a very positive and close relationship with.  (R. 721.)   
    On January 5, 2022, Plaintiff noted that she was having difficulties setting 
boundaries with friends and acquaintances at her apartment building because others 

wanted to use her place to socialize and were not respectful of her space.  (R. 914.)  The 
mental health examination showed that she was oriented and pleasant, her affect was 
appropriate, she showed an angry mood, was coherent, and had fair insight.  (R. 915.)  
Plaintiff went over exercises on how to set boundaries.  (R. 915.)  On February 1, 2022, 
Plaintiff asserted that she was surprised by her improvement in setting and keeping 
interpersonal boundaries.  (R. 926.)                                      

    On January 12, 2022, Plaintiff reported to her case manager that she continued 
hanging out at with her friends, despite the spread of Covid.  (R. 734.)   
    On January 24, 2022, Plaintiff reported that she did not fear her building caretaker, 
that she could discuss these issues with her friends, and that she was socializing before 
her session.  (R. 717.)  The mental health examination showed that she was oriented, 

showed appropriate behavior, and was calm and pleasant; her affect was restricted but 
congruent; and she was able to articulate her feelings.  (R. 717.)  Plaintiff’s diagnosis was 
major depressive disorder, recurrent, mild; generalized anxiety disorder; and PTSD.  (R. 
717.)                                                                     
    On February 3, 2022, Plaintiff talked to her case manager about employment, but 

was set on trying to obtain social security benefits.  (R. 728.)  Plaintiff claimed to have 
some friends in the building, and they discussed a little bit about boundaries because she 
said that people liked to get in her business, and she did not have a lot of privacy.  (R. 
728.)                                                                     
    On February 7, 2022, Plaintiff was seen for a follow-up for her mental health.  (R. 
1003.)  Plaintiff showed appropriate behavior, she had no difficulty communicating, her 

affect was constricted but congruent, she was feeling ill and tired, she had a case 
manager, and she had frequent contact with supportive family and friends.  (R. 1003.)  
    On February 16, 2022, Plaintiff worked with her case manager to complete the 
social security income paperwork.  (R. 1061.)  When asked if she wanted to consider 
employment, Plaintiff responded, “no.”  (R. 1061.)  Plaintiff claimed that she spent most 
of her time watching television or hanging out with her friends.  (R. 1061.)   

    On March 15, 2022, Plaintiff’s therapist, Jeff Davies, MA, LMFT, opined as 
follows:                                                                  
    [Plaintiff] has a medical condition that substantially limits her ability to work 
    now and for the foreseeable future as we treat her conditions. Her depression 
    and  anxious  distress  cause  her  to  have  difficulty  with  concentration, 
    persistence, and pace. In addition, her condition negatively effects [sic] 
    attendance.                                                          

    As a result of [Plaintiff’s] disability, she is unable to work at this time and 
    for the foreseeable future.                                          

(R. 999.)                                                                 
    Therapist Davies diagnosed Plaintiff with major depressive disorder, recurrent, 
moderate, and generalized anxiety disorder.  (R. 1000.)  Her functional disability 
pertained to her cognitive ability and social functioning.  (R. 1000.)  His examination of 
Plaintiff showed she was well groomed; was cooperative; had normal speech, a logical 
thought process, and fair insight; and was within normal limits as to psychomotor 
activity.  (R. 1000.)  In addition, Plaintiff had a moderate limitation with respect to her 
attention, concentration, and memory.  (R. 1000.)  He also opined that her symptoms 
were so severe that they would preclude Plaintiff from engaging in social and 

occupational activities.  (R. 1000.)  Therapist Davies relied on the medical record for this 
opinion.  (R. 1001.)  He also found that Plaintiff could only spend 20 percent of the day 
dealing with people and would need more than three absences a month due to her 
impairments.  (R. 1001-02.)                                               
    On March 8, 2022, Plaintiff met with her case manager noting that she had seen 
some of her friends over the weekend for a little while.  (R. 1063.)  Plaintiff reported that 

she had otherwise stayed in her apartment watching television.  (R. 1063.)  Plaintiff 
claimed that she was going to meet with her brothers for lunch and mentioned how 
important they were to her.  (R. 1063.)  Plaintiff asserted that she did not want to think 
about employment due to her anxiety.  (R. 1063.)                          
    On April 18, 2022, Plaintiff reported to her case manager that she did not bathe 

because no one comes over to her apartment.  (R. 1067.)  On April 25, 2022, Plaintiff 
reported to her case manager that she continued to engage with her neighbors.  (R. 1069.)  
There had been a decline in her social functioning due to anxiety, but she had a few 
friends and socialized with others.  (R. 1071.)  She was also close to her brother and 
uncle.  (R. 1071.)                                                        

    On May 25, 2022, Plaintiff told her case manager that her isolation had become 
progressively worse, including ignoring phone calls from friends and family.  (R. 1081.)  
Plaintiff was going to reach out to her friend.  (R. 1081.)  On June 6, 2022, Plaintiff noted 
that she had some friends that drained her emotionally and she discussed finding some 
friends that did not live in her apartment.  (R. 1085.)                   

    On March 14, 2022, Plaintiff was seen for a telehealth follow-up for her mental 
health.  (R. 1004-05.)  Plaintiff claimed that she was “ok,” but she appeared to be 
purposefully vague because she was at her mechanic.  (R. 1005.)  Plaintiff showed 
appropriate behavior, she had no difficulty communicating, her affect was constricted but 
congruent due to a lack of privacy, she had a case manager, and she had frequent contact 
with supportive family and friends.  (R. 1005.)                           

    On March 28, 2022, Plaintiff was seen for another follow-up for her mental health.  
(R. 1007.)  Plaintiff agreed to lower the dosage of one of her medications.  (R. 1007.)  
Plaintiff showed appropriate behavior, she had no difficulty communicating, her affect 
was constricted but congruent due to her hives, she had a case manager, and she had 
frequent contact with supportive family and friends.  (R. 1007.)          

    On April 25, 2022, Plaintiff was again seen for a follow-up for her mental health.  
(R. 1009.)  Plaintiff claimed there was “not much going on” and when asked to explain, 
said she was not doing much, and that her socializing had diminished.  (R. 1009.)  
Plaintiff claimed that her therapist believed that she was more depressed and wondered if 
she needed an increase in her medication.  (R. 1009.)  Plaintiff showed appropriate 

behavior, she had no difficulty communicating, her affect was constricted but congruent, 
she could plan for the future, and she had a few close relationships.  (R. 1009.)  
                    III.  LEGAL STANDARD                                 
    Judicial review of the Commissioner’s denial of benefits is limited to determining 
whether substantial evidence in the record as a whole supports the decision, 
42 U.S.C. § 405
(g), or if the ALJ’s decision resulted from an error of law, Nash v. Comm’r, Soc. 
Sec. Admin., 
907 F.3d 1086, 1089
 (8th Cir. 2018) (citing 
42 U.S.C. § 405
(g) and 
Chismarich v. Berryhill, 
888 F.3d 978, 979
 (8th Cir. 2018)).  “Substantial evidence is less 
than a preponderance, but enough that a reasonable mind would find it adequate to 
support the Commissioner’s conclusions.”  
Id.
 (quoting Travis v. Astrue, 
477 F.3d 1037, 1040
 (8th Cir. 2007) (marks and citations omitted).  The Court “considers evidence that 
detracts from the Commissioner’s decision as well as evidence that supports it.”  
Id.
  “If 
substantial evidence supports the Commissioner’s conclusions, this court does not reverse 
even if it would reach a different conclusion, or merely because substantial evidence also 
supports the contrary outcome.”  
Id.
 (citation omitted).  In reviewing the record for 

substantial evidence, the Court may not substitute its own judgment or findings of fact for 
that of the ALJ.  Hilkemeyer v. Barnhart, 
380 F.3d 441, 445
 (8th Cir. 2004).  “Assessing 
and resolving credibility is a matter properly within the purview of the ALJ.”  Chaney v. 
Colvin, 
812 F.3d 672, 676
 (8th Cir. 2016) (citing Edwards v. Barnhart, 
314 F.3d 964, 966
 (8th Cir. 2003) (“Our touchstone is that [a claimant’s] credibility is primarily a 

matter for the ALJ to decide.”).                                          
                       IV.  DISCUSSION                                   
    Plaintiff argues that the ALJ failed to account for the state agency psychologists’ 
opinions limiting her to brief and superficial interactions with others in a work setting 
with infrequent changes, and failed to identify any specific limitations in the RFC or in 
any explanation that could adequately account for these limitations.  (Dkt. 14 at 9-10.)  

    Plaintiff asserts that the state agency consulting psychologists separately evaluated 
her limitations and found that she could only engage in brief and superficial interactions 
with others, and while the ALJ found these opinions persuasive, the ALJ did not limit 
Plaintiff’s interactions with coworkers and supervisors to brief and superficial 
interactions.  (Dkt. 14 at 9-11.)  Instead, Plaintiff appears to assert that the ALJ 
improperly limited her to “occasional” interactions, even though the RFC makes no such 

reference.  (Id. at 11.)  Plaintiff goes on to argue that the ALJ committed reversible error 
by not including the limitation to “superficial” and “brief” interactions with others in the 
RFC, as state agency psychologists both opined that interactions must be superficial and 
brief.  (Id. at 11-12.)  According to Plaintiff, the limitation to occasional interactions 
contained in the RFC does not adequately account for the need to have superficial and 

brief interactions, as the terms “occasional” and “superficial” or “brief” are not 
coterminous.  (Id.)  Plaintiff also argues that the inclusion by the ALJ in the RFC of the 
no “lower than ‘8’ on the people scale of the DOT, 1991 revised edition” is also not an 
adequate translation for superficial contact.  (Id. at 12-13.)            
    The Commissioner counters that Plaintiff does not challenge the supportability and 

consistency analysis with respect to the state agency psychologists and instead challenges 
the ALJ’s choice to offer specificity regarding work restrictions instead of adopting 
vague terms like “brief” or “superficial.”  (Dkt. 16 at 8-10.)  The Commissioner contends 
that any argument that the ALJ needed to use specific words like “brief” or “superficial” 
is meritless, as the ALJ has no duty to replicate or parrot an opinion’s limitation in her 
RFC finding.  (Id. at 8-10.)  The Commissioner also argued, in part, that even assuming 

that the ALJ was required to include a specific limitation of brief interactions with others, 
such a failure would not be of any consequence since all of the of the jobs relied on by 
the ALJ had the lowest level of possible interaction with people under the DOT and 
involved unskilled work.  (Id. at 11-12 & n.9.)  In addition, the Commissioner argues that 
substantial evidence in the record as whole supports the RFC with respect to social 
functioning.  (Id. at 12-15.)                                             

    A claimant’s RFC is the “most [she] can do despite his limitations, including both 
physical and mental limitations.”  LeeAnthony C. v. Berryhill, Case No. 18-cv-77 
(NEB/TNL), 
2019 WL 2343732
, at *3 (D. Minn. May 13, 2019) (citing 
20 C.F.R. § 416.945
).  An ALJ’s determination of “a claimant’s RFC must be ‘based on all of the 
relevant evidence, including the medical records, observations of treating physicians and 

others, and an individual’s own description of [his] limitations.”  
Id.
 (quoting Myers v. 
Colvin, 
721 F.3d 521, 527
 (8th Cir. 2013)).  “The RFC is a function-by-function 
assessment based upon all of the relevant evidence of an individual’s ability to do work-
related activities.”  Ackerman v. Kijakazi, Case No. 4:21-CV-814 PLC, 
2023 WL 2496839
, at *4 (E.D. Mo. March 14, 2023) (quoting Roberson v. Astrue, 
481 F.3d 1020, 1023
 (8th Cir. 2007)) (cleaned up).  “Because a claimant’s RFC is a medical question, an 
ALJ’s assessment of it must be supported by some medical evidence of the claimant’s 
ability to function in the workplace.”  
Id.
 (quoting Combs v. Berryhill, 
878 F.3d 642, 646
) 
(8th Cir. 2017)).                                                         
    As stated previously, the ALJ imposed nonexertional limitations in the RFC, 
finding Plaintiff limited with respect to social functioning as follows:  

    [R]egarding social interactions, the individual can respond appropriately to 
    supervision, co-workers, and usual work situations, but no complex team 
    work or other social interaction requiring a code lower than “8” on the people 
    scale of the DOT, 1991 revised edition.                              

(R. 113.)  State agency psychologists opined as to Plaintiff: “Due to psych sxs, mild 
paranoia and social isolation, [Plaintiff] is able to interact briefly and superficially with 
public and others in a work setting.”  (R. 185.)                          
    In analyzing the state agency psychologists’ opinions, the ALJ found as follows: 
    Although the State Agency psychological consultants at the reconsideration 
    and initial levels did not examine the claimant, they provided specific reasons 
    for their opinions about the claimant’s residual functional capacity reflecting 
    the consultants grounded their opinions in the evidence in the case record, 
    including careful consideration of the treating opinions and the claimant’s 
    allegations  about  her  symptoms  and  limitations.  I  found  the  evidence 
    received  into  the  record  after  the  reconsideration  determination  did  not 
    provide any new or material information that would alter the State Agency 
    psychological consultants’ opinion about the claimant’s residual functional 
    capacity.  I  found  their  opinions  persuasive.  I  note  I  used  different 
    vocational terminology than the State Agency psychological consultants. 
    (Exhibits C3A and C5A)                                               

(R. 119 (emphasis added).)                                                

    As noted previously, Plaintiff argues that the inclusion by the ALJ in the RFC of 
the no lower than “8” on the people scale of the DOT is not an adequate translation for 
superficial contact.  (Id. at 12-13.)  According to Appendix B of the DOT, the fifth 
number of the nine-digit code reflects the job’s relationship to people.  See Dictionary of 
Occupational Titles, App. B—Explanation of Data, People, & Things, 
1991 WL 688701
.  
The DOT rates the amount of interaction with people on a scale of 0-8, with 8 
representing the lowest possible level of human interaction that exists in the labor force.  
See Toni M. P. v. O’Malley, No. 23-CV-013-MTS, 
2024 WL 988382
, at *7 (N.D. Okla. 

Mar. 7, 2024) (quoting Lane v. Colvin, 
643 F. App’x 766
, 770 n.1 (10th Cir. 2016)) 
(“‘The DOT rates the amount of interaction with people on a scale of 0-8, with 8 
representing the lowest possible level of human interaction that exists in the labor 
force.’”).  That ranking describes the need to take instructions as only “[a]ttending to the 
work assignment instructions or orders of supervisor” with “[n]o immediate response 
required unless clarification of instructions or orders is needed.” 
1991 WL 688701
.  By 

way of comparison, the ranking of interactions with people under the DOT, including 
level 8, is as follows:                                                   
    PEOPLE: Human beings; also animals dealt with on an individual basis as 
    if they were human.                                                  

    0 Mentoring: Dealing with individuals in terms of their total personality in 
    order to advise, counsel, and/or guide them with regard to problems that 
    may  be  resolved  by  legal,  scientific,  clinical,  spiritual,  and/or  other 
    professional principles.                                             

    1 Negotiating: Exchanging ideas, information, and opinions with others to 
    formulate  policies  and  programs  and/or  arrive  jointly  at  decisions, 
    conclusions, or solutions.                                           

    2 Instructing: Teaching subject matter to others, or training others (including 
    animals) through explanation, demonstration, and supervised practice; or 
    making recommendations on the basis of technical disciplines.        

    3 Supervising: Determining or interpreting work procedures for a group of 
    workers,  assigning  specific  duties  to  them,  maintaining  harmonious 
    relations  among  them,  and  promoting  efficiency.  A  variety  of 
    responsibilities is involved in this function.                       

    4 Diverting: Amusing others, usually through the medium of stage, screen, 
    television, or radio.                                                
    5 Persuading: Influencing others in favor of a product, service, or point of 
    view.                                                                

    6 Speaking-Signaling: Talking with and/or signaling people to convey or 
    exchange information. Includes giving assignments and/or directions to 
    helpers or assistants.                                               

    7 Serving: Attending to the needs or requests of people or animals or the 
    expressed or implicit wishes of people. Immediate response is involved. 

    8  Taking  Instructions-Helping:  Attending  to  the  work  assignment 
    instructions or orders of supervisor. (No immediate response required unless 
    clarification of instructions or orders is needed.) Helping applies to “non-
    learning” helpers.                                                   

Id.
                                                                       
    According to the DOT, “[a]s each of the relationships to People represents a wide 
range of complexity, resulting in considerable overlap among occupations, their 
arrangement is somewhat arbitrary and can be considered a hierarchy only in the most 
general sense.”  
Id.
                                                      
    Plaintiff relies on Tiffany B. v. Kijakazi, No. 22-CV-1227 (ECT/DLM), 
2023 WL 3958424
 (D. Minn. May 22, 2023), R. & R. adopted, 
2023 WL 3955348
 (D. Minn. June 
12, 2023), for the proposition that the ALJ’s decision to alter or substitute the people 
rating scale for agency experts’ limitation to superficial contact was flawed.  (Dkt.14 at 
13-14.)  The facts in Tiffany B. are distinguishable from the present case.  In Tiffany B., 
the issue presented to the Court was as follows:                          
    Plaintiff asserts that in determining her RFC, the ALJ inexplicably omitted 
    certain  limitations  recommended  by  two  state  psychological  experts, 
    resulting in an RFC that did not reflect her actual impairments, and did so 
    without the explanation legally required under 
20 C.F.R. § 416
.920c. Drs. 
    Boyd and Biscardi both opined that Plaintiff's workplace interactions must 
    be “brief” and “superficial.” (Tr. at 234, 250.) The ALJ omitted these two 
    limitations from Plaintiff’s RFC, however, instead finding that Plaintiff could 
    tolerate “occasional” workplace interactions without comment on the length 
    or quality of each contact.                                          

2023 WL 3958424
, at *2 (internal footnotes omitted).  The court went on to consider 
whether the ALJ’s partial rejection of the prior administrative medical findings by the 
state experts was harmless error:                                         
    Whether the error here was harmless presents a close question. The ALJ 
    determined that someone with Plaintiff's limitations could perform the jobs 
    of document preparer, touch-up screener, and semi-conductor bonder. (Tr. at 
    31.) As the Commissioner correctly notes, each of these jobs already assume 
    a “Level 8” amount of interpersonal interaction, which is the lowest level 
    recognized by the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. See DOT App'x B, 
    Explanation of Data, People and Things (identifying Level 8 interactions as 
    “[a]ttending to the work assignment instructions or orders of supervisor. (No 
    immediate response required unless clarification of instructions or orders is 
    needed.)”). According to the Commissioner, swapping Plaintiff's requested 
    language about the quality and duration of interpersonal interactions into her 
    RFC  would  make  no  difference,  since  Level  8  jobs  already  assume  an 
    extremely limited amount of interpersonal contact.                   

    In  prefacing  the  description  of  its  eight  different  “levels”  of  “People” 
    relationships, the DOT cautions that “each of the relationships to People 
    represents a wide range of complexity, resulting in considerable overlap 
    among occupations,” such that “their arrangement is somewhat arbitrary and 
    can be considered a hierarchy only in the most general sense.” DOT App’x 
    B, Explanation of Data, People and Things (Preamble). Put more simply, the 
    DOT’s quantification of the “level” of interpersonal interaction necessary for 
    each  job  is  imprecise.  As  such,  the  Court  declines  the  Commissioner's 
    invitation to assume that each and every Level 8 job could satisfy a limitation 
    that the claimant only have brief and superficial workplace interactions. 

Id. at *5
; see also Nathan L. v. O'Malley, No. 23-CV-1310 (JWB/DJF), 
2024 WL 3015139
, at *6 (D. Minn. May 3, 2024), R. & R. adopted, 
2024 WL 3014866
 (D. Minn. 
June 14, 2024).                                                           
    Here, however, the ALJ found the state agency experts’ opinions persuasive and 
specifically noted that he used different vocational terminology, and ultimately included 

in the RFC that Plaintiff could not engage in any “complex team work or other social 
interaction requiring a code lower than ‘8’ on the people scale of the DOT, 1991 revised 
edition.”  (R. 113.)  As set forth above, the ALJ in Tiffany B. did not include the specific 
Level 8 limitation in the RFC, instead using “occasional” workplace interactions with 
others instead of the “brief” and “superficial” contacts opined by the agency experts. 
    While Plaintiff focuses on what she characterizes as the imprecise nature of the 

DOT’s hierarchy of the levels in the ranking of interactions with people, she seeks a 
ruling that the ALJ erred by failing to limit her to superficial contacts.  But “the term 
‘superficial’ is defined by neither the DOT nor in Social Security regulations, SSRs, or 
HALLEX.”  Amber L. v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec. Admin., No. 3:21-CV-00202, 
2022 WL 2948952
, at *6 (S.D. Ohio July 26, 2022), R. & R. adopted, 
2022 WL 3226351
 (S.D. 

Ohio Aug. 10, 2022).  Indeed, as one court has explained:                 
    “Superficial” social interaction has no regulatory definition. And while the 
    state agency psychologists opined Plaintiff should be limited to superficial 
    interactions,  neither  defined  what  “superficial”  meant.  Accordingly, 
    precisely  how  the  RFC’s  limitations  differ  from  superficial  interaction 
    limitations—if they do at all—is unclear.                            

Sasha M. v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., No. 2:22-CV-2101, 
2023 WL 1793536
, at *9 (S.D. 
Ohio Feb. 7, 2023) (citing Reeves v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 
618 F. App’x 267, 276
 (6th 
Cir. 2015)) (citations omitted).  The Eighth Circuit has recently rejected arguments that 
the failure to parrot the term “superficial” requires automatic reversal of the ALJ’s denial 
of benefits, especially where the ALJ addressed the quality of a claimant’s workplace 
interactions:                                                             

    Lane  argues  that  the  ALJ’s  reference  to  “occasional”  interactions  is 
    inconsistent with the shared opinion of two psychologists, which the ALJ 
    found persuasive, that he could have “superficial” interactions. He reasons 
    that because the terms are different—the former being about quantity and the 
    latter  about  quality—omitting  the  psychologists’  limitation  renders  the 
    expert’s conclusion unreliable and the ALJ’s decision without substantial 
    evidence.                                                            

    We reject this manufactured inconsistency. The psychologists noted that 
    Lane could relate to others superficially, work in small groups, and maintain 
    at  least  minimal  relationships  with  others.  Nothing  in  the  reference  to 
    “occasional”  interactions  conflicts  with  that  opinion.  And  the  ALJ, 
    considering the entire record, addressed the quality of Lane’s workplace 
    interactions: no team, tandem, or public-facing work. We decline to nitpick 
    its well-reasoned decision.                                          

Lane v. O’Malley, No. 23-1432, 
2024 WL 302395
, at *1 (8th Cir. Jan. 26, 2024) (citation 
omitted) (emphasis added).                                                
    Even acknowledging that the ranking of the DOT’s description of its eight 
different “levels” of people can be considered a hierarchy only in the most general sense, 
it still remains that a people relationship code of 8 represents the lowest possible level of 
human interaction that exists in the labor force.  The Court concludes that the ALJ’s 
reference to no complex teamwork or other social interaction requiring a code lower than 
“8” on the people scale does not conflict with the opinions of the state agency 
psychologists.  Indeed, courts have concluded that an RFC limitation of social interaction 
limitation of 8 on the people scale of the DOT is consistent with limitations of brief and 
superficial interactions with people in the workplace.  See, e.g., Joseph J. B. v. Comm’r of 
Soc. Sec., No. 1:23-CV-00652 (BKS/CFH), 
2024 WL 4217371
, at *14 (N.D.N.Y. Aug. 
29, 2024) (“Positions categorized as involving level 8 interaction can be performed by 

individuals who require limited interaction with supervisors and others.”) (collecting 
cases and quotation marks omitted), R. & R. adopted sub nom., 
2024 WL 4216048
 
(N.D.N.Y. Sept. 17, 2024); Ammie Y. v. Kijakazi, No. 2:22-CV-00126-RHW, 
2023 WL 6367659
, at *1 (E.D. Wash. Sept. 29, 2023) (“Courts have determined that level 8 
interaction is compatible with an RFC limiting a claimant to only superficial contact with 
coworkers, supervisors, and the public.”) (citations omitted); Scott C. v. Comm’r of Soc. 

Sec., No. 2:20-CV-00109, 
2021 WL 2682276
, at *5 (D. Vt. June 30, 2021) (“Courts have 
held that level 8 interaction is compatible with an RFC limiting a claimant to only 
superficial contact with coworkers, supervisors, and the public.”) (cleaned up); Alie v. 
Berryhill, No. 4:16CV1353, 
2017 WL 2572287
, *16 (E.D. Mo. June 14, 2017) (finding 
that “[l]evel 8 interaction is compatible with a[n] RFC limiting a claimant to only 

superficial contact with coworkers, supervisors, and the public.”) (citation omitted); 
Connor v. Colvin, No. 1:13-cv-00219-JAW, 
2014 WL 3533466
, at *4 (D. Me. July 16, 
2014) (construing a rating of “not significant” for the category “People: 8 – Taking 
Instructions – Helping” as “consistent with limitations to occasional, brief, and 
superficial contact with coworkers and supervisors”) (citations omitted); see generally, 

Flaherty v. Halter, 
182 F. Supp. 2d 824, 851
 (D. Minn. 2001) (finding jobs with “not 
significant” levels of social interaction at Level 6 under the DOT compatible with ALJ’s 
limitation to “brief superficial type of contact with co-workers and supervisors and 
members of the public as a part of the job task[s]”).                     
    The decision in Katie R. v. O’Malley, No. CV 23-1139 (PAM/DLM), 
2024 WL 1050822
 (D. Minn. Mar. 11, 2024), also supports the ALJ’s decision to incorporate a 

brief and superficial limitation to level 8 of the DOT.  In Katie R., the ALJ determined 
that the plaintiff was limited to “brief and superficial interaction with coworkers and 
supervisors meaning the fifth digit of the DOT code is a 6, 7, or 8.”  (23-cv-1139, Dkt. 8 
at R. 47.)  The plaintiff argued that the ALJ erred in formulating her RFC by defining 
“brief and superficial contact” as limited to jobs in which the “fifth digit of the DOT code 
is a 6, 7, or 8.”  Katie R., 
2024 WL 1050822
, at *2 (footnote omitted).  The court 

disagreed, finding:                                                       
    [T]he ALJ did not err in defining what he meant by “superficial” with 
    reference to the DOT code. Rather, “[t]he ALJ expounded on the definition 
    of ‘superficial’ in the context of Plaintiff’s RFC, in essence describing how 
    a  vocational  expert  might  incorporate  the  limitation  into  the  expert’s 
    evaluation of whether jobs exist in the national economy that are consistent 
    with Plaintiff’s functional limitations.”                            

Id.
 at *3 (quoting Jamie E. v. Kijakazi, No. 22-CV-2393 (ECT/JFD), 
2023 WL 5021807
, 
at *2 (D. Minn. Aug. 7, 2023)).                                           
    Further, it is important to note, as argued by the Commissioner (Dkt. 16 at 12 n.9), 
that the ALJ limited Plaintiff to unskilled work.  (R. 60.)  “The basic mental demands of 
competitive, remunerative, unskilled work include the abilities (on a sustained basis) to 
understand, carry out, and remember simple instructions; to respond appropriately to 
supervision, coworkers, and usual work situations; and to deal with changes in a routine 
work setting.”  Social Security Ruling 83-15, Titles II & XVI: Capability to Do Other 
Work—The Medical-Vocational Rules as a Framework for Evaluating Solely    
Nonexertional Impairments, 
1985 WL 56857
, at *4 (Social Sec. Admin. Jan. 1, 1985).  
“A substantial loss of ability to meet any of these basic work-related activities would 

severely limit the potential occupational base.”  
Id.
  “These jobs ordinarily involve 
dealing primarily with objects, rather than with data or people. . . .”  
Id.
 (emphasis 
added).  This is the type of work the ALJ set forth in the RFC.  See Jennifer O. v. 
O’Malley, No. 22-CV-2273 (KMM/ECW), 
2024 WL 86277
, at *4 (D. Minn. Jan. 8, 
2024) (finding that limitations regarding social interactions in the workplace are 
“‘commonplace in unskilled work that involves ‘dealing primarily with objects, rather 

than with data or people,’ which is the type of work that the ALJ recommended for Ms. 
O.”) (quoting Dereschuk v. Colvin, No. 15-CV-86 (TNL), 
2016 WL 9454329
, at *25 (D. 
Minn. Mar. 28, 2016), quoting SSR 85-15, 
1985 WL 56857
, at *4)), aff’d sub nom. 
Dereschuk v. Berryhill, 
691 F. App’x 292
 (8th Cir. 2017)).                
    Based on the record as a whole, the Court finds that the RFC, including the ALJ’s 

omission of Plaintiff’s preferred language of a “brief” and “superficial” interactions with 
others was not in error and is supported by substantial evidence.  To the extent that 
Plaintiff is arguing that the RFC should have been more restrictive, there is simply no 
evidence she was having difficulty interacting with others to the level that would require 
additional restrictions.  The record supports that overall, Plaintiff enjoyed and sought out 

being around other people, and to the extent that she had issues with others, she was able 
to appropriately deal with interpersonal conflicts.  (See, e.g., R. 670, 677, 682, 687, 710, 
711, 717, 725, 728, 734, 810, 851, 926, 1003, 1005, 1009, 1063.)  A claimant’s daily 
activities are one factor an ALJ must consider when evaluating the claimant’s testimony 
and subjective limitations.  See Swarthout v. Kijakazi, 
35 F.4th 608, 612
 (8th Cir. 2022) 
(“While daily activities alone do not disprove disability, they are a factor to consider in 

evaluating subjective complaints of pain.”).  Further, outside of an occasional anxious 
mood or an articulation of anger (managed with medication and counseling (see Milam v. 
Colvin, 
794 F.3d 978, 985
 (8th Cir. 2015) (holding that a pattern of limited and 
conservative treatment is a proper factor for an ALJ to consider in weighing subjective 
reports)), Plaintiff’s mental examinations during the relevant period were largely normal 
and stable (see, e.g., R. 678, 683, 688, 692, 710, 711, 717, 725, 800, 822, 915, 1000, 

1003, 1005, 1007, 1009).                                                  
                   V.  RECOMMENDATION                                    
    Based on the above, and on the files, records, and proceedings herein, IT IS 
RECOMMENDED that:                                                         
    1.   Plaintiff’s request for reversal or remand of the Commissioner’s decision 

(Dkt. 14) be DENIED;                                                      
    2.   The Commissioner’s request that the Court affirm the decision (Dkt. 16) be 
GRANTED; and                                                              
    3.   The Complaint (Dkt. 1) be DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE.             


DATED:  October 18, 2024           s/Elizabeth Cowan Wright               
                                  ELIZABETH COWAN WRIGHT                 
                                  United States Magistrate Judge         
                            NOTICE                                       
This Report and Recommendation is not an order or judgment of the District Court and is 
therefore not appealable directly to the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals. 

Under District of Minnesota Local Rule 72.2(b)(1), “a party may file and serve specific 
written objections to a magistrate judge’s proposed finding and recommendations within 
14 days after being served a copy” of the Report and Recommendation.  A party may 
respond to those objections within 14 days after being served a copy of the objections. D. 
Minn. LR 72.2(b)(2).  All objections and responses must comply with the word or line 
limits set for in D. Minn. LR 72.2(c).                                    

Trial Court Opinion

                 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT                            
                    DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA                                

Julie L.P.,                             Case No. 23-cv-2980 (PJS/ECW)    

          Plaintiff,                                                     

v.                                REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION              

Martin J. O’Malley,                                                      
Commissioner of Social Security Admin.,                                  

          Defendant.                                                     


    This matter is before the Court on Julie L.P.’s (“Plaintiff”) Complaint seeking 
judicial review of a final decision by the Commissioner denying her application for 
supplemental security income. (See generally Dkt. 1.)  The parties have filed briefs 
“present[ing] for decision” Plaintiff’s request for judicial review of the final decision of 
the Commissioner of Social Security (“the Commissioner”).1  (See Dkts. 14, 16.) 
    For the reasons stated below, Plaintiff’s request for reversal or remand of the 
Commissioner’s decision (Dkt. 14) should be denied and the Commissioner’s request that 
the Court affirm the decision (Dkt. 16) should be granted.                


1    As of December 1, 2022, Social Security Actions under 
42 U.S.C. § 405
(g) are 
“presented for decision on the parties’ briefs,” rather than summary judgment motions. 
Supplemental Rules for Social Security Actions under 
42 U.S.C. § 405
(g), Rule 5. 
                      I.   BACKGROUND                                    
    On October 18, 2021, Plaintiff protectively filed an application for Title XVI 

Supplemental Security Income, alleging disability as of April 27, 2017, due to major 
depression and an anxiety disorder.  (R. 287-91, 321.)2  Her application was denied 
initially and on reconsideration.  (R. 200-203, 216-220.)  Plaintiff requested a hearing, 
and on July 19, 2022, Plaintiff appeared for an online video hearing before 
Administrative Law Judge Corey Ayling (“the ALJ”).  (R. 108.)  The ALJ issued an 
unfavorable decision on August 18, 2022, finding Plaintiff was not disabled.  (R. 108-

121.)                                                                     
    Following the five-step sequential evaluation process under 
20 C.F.R. § 416.920
(a),3 the ALJ first determined at step one that Plaintiff had not engaged in 
substantial gainful activity since August 27, 2021, the application date.  (R. 110.) 


2    The Social Security Administrative Record (“R.”) is available at Docket 13. 

3    The Eighth Circuit described this five-step process that the Commissioner of 
Social Security must use as follows:                                      

    (1) whether the claimant is currently engaged in substantial gainful activity; 
    (2) whether the claimant’s impairments are so severe that they significantly 
    limit  the  claimant’s  physical  or  mental  ability  to  perform  basic  work 
    activities; (3) whether the claimant has impairments that meet or equal a 
    presumptively disabling impairment specified in the regulations; (4) whether 
    the claimant’s [residual functional capacity (“RFC”)] is sufficient for her to 
    perform her past work; and finally, if the claimant cannot perform the past 
    work, the burden shifts to the Commissioner to prove that (5) there are other 
    jobs  in  the  national  economy  that  the  claimant  can  perform  given  the 
    claimant’s RFC, age, education and work experience.                  

Cox v. Astrue, 
495 F.3d 614, 617
 (8th Cir. 2007).                         
    At step two, the ALJ determined that Plaintiff had the following severe 
impairments: generalized anxiety disorder; major depressive disorder; obesity; and 

posttraumatic stress disorder (“PTSD”).  (R. 110.)                        
    At the third step, the ALJ determined that Plaintiff did not have an impairment or 
combination of impairments that met or medically equaled the severity of one of the 
listed impairments in 20 C.F.R. part 404, subpart P, appendix 1.  (R. 111.)   
    At step four, after reviewing the entire record, the ALJ concluded that Plaintiff had 
the residual functional capacity (“RFC”) as follows:                      

    I find that the claimant has the residual functional capacity to perform light 
    work as defined in 20 CFR 416.967(b) except occasional climbing of ramps 
    and stairs, no climbing of ladders, ropes, or scaffolds; regarding balancing, 
    no  running,  crouching,  standing,  or  walking  on  slippery,  narrow,  or 
    erratically  moving  surfaces;  but  retains  the  ability  to  maintain  physical 
    equilibrium while on feet for 8 hours so she would be on her feet for 8 hours 
    but  no  crouching,  standing,  walking,  running  on  slippery,  narrow,  or 
    erratically  moving  surfaces.  Environmental  limitations:  no  work  at 
    unprotected heights; no work near moving mechanical parts (i.e., the kind of 
    moving  machinery  such  that  a  loss  of  balance  and  proximity  to  that 
    machinery  would  pose  severe  safety  hazard  to  life  or  limb).  Mental 
    restrictions,  as  followed:  the  individual  can  understand,  carryout,  and 
    remember simple instructions, and use judgment as necessary to complete 
    simple, routine, and repetitive tasks; the individual can adapt to and manage 
    changes in a routine work setting, such as changes in processes and products 
    that can be learned in a manner and time consistent with SVP 1 or SVP 2 
    work; regarding social interactions, the individual can respond appropriately 
    to supervision, co-workers, and usual work situations, but no complex team 
    work or other social interaction requiring a code lower than “8” on the people 
    scale of the DOT, 1991 revised edition. Also, pose a pace restriction, as 
    follows,  able  to  meet  the  production  standards  of  simple,  routine,  and 
    repetitive work, but no assembly line work or other work similarly requiring 
    varying fast pace.                                                   

(R. 113.)  The ALJ found that Plaintiff has no past relevant work.  (R. 119.)   
    At the fifth step of the sequential analysis, and based on the testimony of the 
vocational expert (“VE”), the ALJ found that considering Plaintiff’s age, education, work 

experience, and RFC, there were jobs that exist in significant numbers in the national 
economy that Plaintiff could perform, including: inspector, hand packager (DOT code 
559.687-074, light, unskilled, SVP 2); small products assembler, bench (DOT code 
706.684-022, light, unskilled, SVP 2); and marker (DOT code 209.587-034, light, 
unskilled, SVP 2).  (R. 120.)                                             
    Accordingly, the ALJ deemed Plaintiff not disabled from the date of her August 

27, 2021 application, through the date of the ALJ’s decision on August 1, 2022.  (R. 120-
21.)                                                                      
    Plaintiff requested review of the decision, and the Appeals Council denied 
Plaintiff’s request for review, which made the ALJ’s decision the final decision of the 
Commissioner.  (R. 1-4.)  Plaintiff then commenced this action for judicial review.  (Dkt. 

1.)                                                                       
    The Court has reviewed the entire administrative record, giving particular 
attention to the facts and records cited by the parties.  The Court will recount the facts of 
record to the extent they are helpful for context or necessary for resolution of the specific 
issues presented in the parties’ motions.  In this case, because Plaintiff’s challenge is 

limited to an issue relating to her mental health, the Court recounts only the record and 
testimony relevant to that impairment.                                    
                    II.  RELEVANT RECORD                                 
    Predating her August 27, 2021 application date, Plaintiff was diagnosed with 

major depressive disorder, recurrent (ranging between moderate and mild), generalized 
anxiety disorder, and PTSD, and sought mental health treatment for the same, including 
psychotherapy and medication for her depression and anxiety.  (See, e.g., R. 417, 419-34, 
443, 445-56, 459, 461, 486, 470, 474, 477-78, 487, 491, 499, 503, 510-11, 514-15, 522-
23, 527, 543, 547, 560-61, 569, 577-81, 593, 597, 601-04, 609, 617-188, 625-30, 633-34, 
637-43, 650, 654-55, 659, 663, 675, 708-09.)  On August 10, 2021, her therapist noted as 

follows:                                                                  
    Distress tolerance. Client reports her psychiatry provider has recommended 
    she work toward taking solo trips in her car to run errands, rather than always 
    going with someone else. She says she is willing to try short trips, but feels 
    calm and safe when  accompanied. She says she has no trouble  finding 
    someone in her building to go, so her needs are being met. She says she is 
    getting along with all other residents, with no one giving her “drama.” 
    Discussed ways she is contributing to the peace. Processed emotions in 
    session, validated, supportive counseling.                           

(R. 666.)  Plaintiff was able to stay at her brother’s house after her sister’s surgery to help 
care for her.  (R. 670.)  Plaintiff also noted that there was a potential for “conflict and 
drama” with others in her apartment building, but that she was able to effectively use her 
skills to deal with any challenges.  (R. 670.)                            
    On August 24, 2021, Plaintiff reported that she had felt tired after socializing over 
the previous day, but that it could have been the result of being physically tired.  (R. 674.)  
She also reported, “relationships going well in her building and good use of skills.”  (R. 
674.)                                                                     
    On August 31, 2021, Plaintiff reported no changes in her symptoms and that she 
was using skills learned during therapy to effectively manage relationships in her 

apartment building.  (R. 677.)  The mental health examination showed that she was 
oriented and pleasant; showed normal speech, an anxious mood, and appropriate affect; 
and that her insight was fair.  (R. 678.)  Her diagnosis was major depressive disorder, 
recurrent, moderate, and generalized anxiety disorder.  (R. 678-79.)      
    On September 13, 2021, Plaintiff reported that she could not do her “homework” 
involving driving alone to a fast-food restaurant and ordering from her car because she 

was afraid to eat in her car in the parking lot due to feeling vulnerable to someone 
approaching the car.  (R. 710.)  Plaintiff did share that she went to some garage sales 
alone without needing someone to accompany her.  (R. 710.)  She also shared that she 
and her brother had a tradition of meeting at Costco, doing grocery shopping together, 
then eating lunch there, which comforted Plaintiff.  (R. 710.)  Plaintiff had frequent 

contact with supportive family and friends.  (R. 711.)  Plaintiff was diagnosed with major 
depressive disorder, recurrent, mild, generalized anxiety disorder, and PTSD.  (R. 711.)  
The mental health examination showed that she was alert and oriented, showed 
appropriate behavior, her affect was constricted but congruent, and she was able to 
articulate her feelings well.  (R. 710.)                                  

    On September 21, 2021, Plaintiff reported no changes in her symptoms and that 
she was using skills learned during therapy to effectively manage relationships in her 
apartment building.  (R. 682.)  She was sad that one of her friends in her building was 
leaving.  (R. 683.)  The mental health examination showed that she was oriented and 
cooperative; she showed normal speech, a grieving mood, and appropriate affect; and her 
insight was fair.  (R. 683.)  Her diagnosis was major depressive disorder, recurrent, 

moderate, and generalized anxiety disorder.  (R. 684.)                    
    On October 1, 2021, Plaintiff reported no changes in her symptoms and that she 
was using skills learned during therapy to effectively manage relationships in her 
apartment building.  (R. 687.)  She was upset that a resident in her building was saying 
untrue things about her behavior.  (R. 688.)  The mental health examination showed that 
Plaintiff was oriented and cooperative; she showed normal speech, an angry and anxious 

mood, and appropriate affect; and her insight was fair.  (R. 688.)  Her diagnosis was 
major depressive disorder, recurrent, moderate, and generalized anxiety disorder with no 
changes noted in her medications.  (R. 688-89.)                           
    On October 5, 2021, Plaintiff was feeling less distressed about her interactions 
with other residents.  (R. 692.)  She claimed it was exhausting, but she was able to 

manage her emotions.  (R. 692.)  Plaintiff also reported being anxious about an upcoming 
housing inspection.  (R. 692.)  It was noted that there was no change in her medications, 
but that she had missed one dose the previous week.  (R. 692.)            
    On October 11, 2021, Plaintiff reported recent improvement, had a good visit with 
her brother and his family, and had made up with a friend in her building.  (R. 712.)  

Plaintiff showed a brighter mood.  (R. 712.)  Plaintiff received a refill on all her 
psychiatric medications.  (R. 713-14.)                                    
    On October 12, 2021, Plaintiff reported unhappiness “with the support and 
services offered by her County Case Manager” and said “the Manager often blames 
[Plaintiff] when she is mistreated by others in her housing and generally does not provide 
services or advocacy.”  (R. 696.)  The mental health examination showed that she was 

oriented and pleasant, showed normal speech, an angry mood, and appropriate affect; and 
her insight was fair.  (R. 696.)                                          
    On October 19, 2021, Plaintiff reported that she was going to see her uncle the 
same day, which typically improved her mood and that she seeking to replace her case 
manager.  (R. 700.)  The mental health examination showed that Plaintiff was oriented 
and friendly; she showed normal speech, an angry mood, and appropriate affect; and her 

insight was fair.  (R. 700.)                                              
    On November 2, 2021, Plaintiff was seen for a follow up counseling session, 
during which she reported that she had an episode with another resident in her apartment 
building that was sexually inappropriate.  (R. 799.)  Plaintiff asserted that she was angry 
and would discuss the issue with building management.  (R. 799.)  On November 9, 

2021, Plaintiff reported that she told building management about the individual and was 
able to get past the episode.  (R. 810.)                                  
    On or about November 8, 2021, Plaintiff was assigned a case manager from the 
Guild to address her goals of improved hygiene, supporting her mental health by 
socializing with peers, and obtaining social security benefits.  (R. 773-74.)  A mental 

health examination on the same day showed that she was oriented, showed normal 
speech, was anxious and in an angry mood, had an appropriate affect, and that her insight 
was fair.  (R. 800.)                                                      
    During a November 11, 2021 visit for skin reaction, Plaintiff’s mental exam 
showed that her mentation was normal, and that she had a normal and bright affect.  (R. 

822.)                                                                     
    On November 15, 2021, Plaintiff reported that she was afraid of her building 
caretaker and did not want to talk about it out of fear that she would be overheard.  (R. 
725.)  Plaintiff also noted that she had a recent visit with her brother and that she was 
going to her neighbor’s place for Thanksgiving Day.  (R. 725.)  The mental health 
examination showed that she was oriented and friendly; showed appropriate behavior; 

spoke softly’ was able to articulate needs well; and her affect was calm and pleasant, 
constricted, but congruent.  (R. 725.)                                    
    On November 30, 2021, Plaintiff reported to her case manger that she was not 
meeting her socialization goals because she is shy.  (R. 763.)            
    On December 6, 2021, Plaintiff reported to her therapist that she was doing well.  

(R. 723.)                                                                 
    On December 7, 2021, Plaintiff told her therapist that “she has been able to 
navigate the ‘dysfunctional’ neighbors’ relationship fairly effectively using interpersonal 
effectiveness skills.”  (R. 851.)  She also reported feeling “low” due to the anniversary of 
the death of her father.  (R. 851.)                                       

    On December 8, 2021, Plaintiff reported seeing her friends at her apartment for 
fun and that she gotten closer to her brothers.  (R. 756.)                
    On December 10, 2021, Plaintiff reported to her case manager that she was “doing 
well”.  (R. 752.)  She had been talking to her friends and her brothers.  (R. 752.)  
    On December 15, 2021, Plaintiff reported to her case manager that she did not like 
the building caretaker because she was bossy.  (R. 749.)                  

    On December 16, 2021, state agency psychologist Erika Gilyot-Montgomery, 
PsyD, opined that Plaintiff had severe medically determined mental impairments of a 
Schizophrenia Spectrum and Other Psychotic Disorders; depressive, bipolar and related 
disorder; an anxiety related disorder; and a trauma-stressor related disorder.  (R. 184.)  As 
part of the social interaction portion of the mental RFC, Dr. Gilyot-Montgomery opined 
that Plaintiff was not significantly limited as to her ability to ask simple questions or 

request assistance and her ability to maintain socially appropriate behavior and adhere to 
basic standards of neatness and cleanliness.  (R. 185.)  Dr. Gilyot-Montgomery also 
found that Plaintiff was moderately limited as to her ability to: interact appropriately with 
the general public, accept instructions and criticism from supervisors, and get along with 
coworkers or peers without distracting them or exhibiting behavioral extremes.  (R. 185.)  

Dr. Gilyot-Montgomery went on to find that: “Due to psych sxs, mild paranoia and social 
isolation, Clmt is able to interact briefly and superficially with public and others in a 
work setting.”  (R. 185.)                                                 
    On March 10, 2022, on reconsideration, state agency psychologist Russell Ludke, 
PhD, LP, found the same limitations as Dr. Gilyot-Montgomery with respect to Plaintiff’s 

social functioning.  (R. 195-96.)                                         
    On December 20, 2021, Plaintiff reported that she was sad about the death of a 
medical provider that she had a very positive and close relationship with.  (R. 721.)   
    On January 5, 2022, Plaintiff noted that she was having difficulties setting 
boundaries with friends and acquaintances at her apartment building because others 

wanted to use her place to socialize and were not respectful of her space.  (R. 914.)  The 
mental health examination showed that she was oriented and pleasant, her affect was 
appropriate, she showed an angry mood, was coherent, and had fair insight.  (R. 915.)  
Plaintiff went over exercises on how to set boundaries.  (R. 915.)  On February 1, 2022, 
Plaintiff asserted that she was surprised by her improvement in setting and keeping 
interpersonal boundaries.  (R. 926.)                                      

    On January 12, 2022, Plaintiff reported to her case manager that she continued 
hanging out at with her friends, despite the spread of Covid.  (R. 734.)   
    On January 24, 2022, Plaintiff reported that she did not fear her building caretaker, 
that she could discuss these issues with her friends, and that she was socializing before 
her session.  (R. 717.)  The mental health examination showed that she was oriented, 

showed appropriate behavior, and was calm and pleasant; her affect was restricted but 
congruent; and she was able to articulate her feelings.  (R. 717.)  Plaintiff’s diagnosis was 
major depressive disorder, recurrent, mild; generalized anxiety disorder; and PTSD.  (R. 
717.)                                                                     
    On February 3, 2022, Plaintiff talked to her case manager about employment, but 

was set on trying to obtain social security benefits.  (R. 728.)  Plaintiff claimed to have 
some friends in the building, and they discussed a little bit about boundaries because she 
said that people liked to get in her business, and she did not have a lot of privacy.  (R. 
728.)                                                                     
    On February 7, 2022, Plaintiff was seen for a follow-up for her mental health.  (R. 
1003.)  Plaintiff showed appropriate behavior, she had no difficulty communicating, her 

affect was constricted but congruent, she was feeling ill and tired, she had a case 
manager, and she had frequent contact with supportive family and friends.  (R. 1003.)  
    On February 16, 2022, Plaintiff worked with her case manager to complete the 
social security income paperwork.  (R. 1061.)  When asked if she wanted to consider 
employment, Plaintiff responded, “no.”  (R. 1061.)  Plaintiff claimed that she spent most 
of her time watching television or hanging out with her friends.  (R. 1061.)   

    On March 15, 2022, Plaintiff’s therapist, Jeff Davies, MA, LMFT, opined as 
follows:                                                                  
    [Plaintiff] has a medical condition that substantially limits her ability to work 
    now and for the foreseeable future as we treat her conditions. Her depression 
    and  anxious  distress  cause  her  to  have  difficulty  with  concentration, 
    persistence, and pace. In addition, her condition negatively effects [sic] 
    attendance.                                                          

    As a result of [Plaintiff’s] disability, she is unable to work at this time and 
    for the foreseeable future.                                          

(R. 999.)                                                                 
    Therapist Davies diagnosed Plaintiff with major depressive disorder, recurrent, 
moderate, and generalized anxiety disorder.  (R. 1000.)  Her functional disability 
pertained to her cognitive ability and social functioning.  (R. 1000.)  His examination of 
Plaintiff showed she was well groomed; was cooperative; had normal speech, a logical 
thought process, and fair insight; and was within normal limits as to psychomotor 
activity.  (R. 1000.)  In addition, Plaintiff had a moderate limitation with respect to her 
attention, concentration, and memory.  (R. 1000.)  He also opined that her symptoms 
were so severe that they would preclude Plaintiff from engaging in social and 

occupational activities.  (R. 1000.)  Therapist Davies relied on the medical record for this 
opinion.  (R. 1001.)  He also found that Plaintiff could only spend 20 percent of the day 
dealing with people and would need more than three absences a month due to her 
impairments.  (R. 1001-02.)                                               
    On March 8, 2022, Plaintiff met with her case manager noting that she had seen 
some of her friends over the weekend for a little while.  (R. 1063.)  Plaintiff reported that 

she had otherwise stayed in her apartment watching television.  (R. 1063.)  Plaintiff 
claimed that she was going to meet with her brothers for lunch and mentioned how 
important they were to her.  (R. 1063.)  Plaintiff asserted that she did not want to think 
about employment due to her anxiety.  (R. 1063.)                          
    On April 18, 2022, Plaintiff reported to her case manager that she did not bathe 

because no one comes over to her apartment.  (R. 1067.)  On April 25, 2022, Plaintiff 
reported to her case manager that she continued to engage with her neighbors.  (R. 1069.)  
There had been a decline in her social functioning due to anxiety, but she had a few 
friends and socialized with others.  (R. 1071.)  She was also close to her brother and 
uncle.  (R. 1071.)                                                        

    On May 25, 2022, Plaintiff told her case manager that her isolation had become 
progressively worse, including ignoring phone calls from friends and family.  (R. 1081.)  
Plaintiff was going to reach out to her friend.  (R. 1081.)  On June 6, 2022, Plaintiff noted 
that she had some friends that drained her emotionally and she discussed finding some 
friends that did not live in her apartment.  (R. 1085.)                   

    On March 14, 2022, Plaintiff was seen for a telehealth follow-up for her mental 
health.  (R. 1004-05.)  Plaintiff claimed that she was “ok,” but she appeared to be 
purposefully vague because she was at her mechanic.  (R. 1005.)  Plaintiff showed 
appropriate behavior, she had no difficulty communicating, her affect was constricted but 
congruent due to a lack of privacy, she had a case manager, and she had frequent contact 
with supportive family and friends.  (R. 1005.)                           

    On March 28, 2022, Plaintiff was seen for another follow-up for her mental health.  
(R. 1007.)  Plaintiff agreed to lower the dosage of one of her medications.  (R. 1007.)  
Plaintiff showed appropriate behavior, she had no difficulty communicating, her affect 
was constricted but congruent due to her hives, she had a case manager, and she had 
frequent contact with supportive family and friends.  (R. 1007.)          

    On April 25, 2022, Plaintiff was again seen for a follow-up for her mental health.  
(R. 1009.)  Plaintiff claimed there was “not much going on” and when asked to explain, 
said she was not doing much, and that her socializing had diminished.  (R. 1009.)  
Plaintiff claimed that her therapist believed that she was more depressed and wondered if 
she needed an increase in her medication.  (R. 1009.)  Plaintiff showed appropriate 

behavior, she had no difficulty communicating, her affect was constricted but congruent, 
she could plan for the future, and she had a few close relationships.  (R. 1009.)  
                    III.  LEGAL STANDARD                                 
    Judicial review of the Commissioner’s denial of benefits is limited to determining 
whether substantial evidence in the record as a whole supports the decision, 
42 U.S.C. § 405
(g), or if the ALJ’s decision resulted from an error of law, Nash v. Comm’r, Soc. 
Sec. Admin., 
907 F.3d 1086, 1089
 (8th Cir. 2018) (citing 
42 U.S.C. § 405
(g) and 
Chismarich v. Berryhill, 
888 F.3d 978, 979
 (8th Cir. 2018)).  “Substantial evidence is less 
than a preponderance, but enough that a reasonable mind would find it adequate to 
support the Commissioner’s conclusions.”  
Id.
 (quoting Travis v. Astrue, 
477 F.3d 1037, 1040
 (8th Cir. 2007) (marks and citations omitted).  The Court “considers evidence that 
detracts from the Commissioner’s decision as well as evidence that supports it.”  
Id.
  “If 
substantial evidence supports the Commissioner’s conclusions, this court does not reverse 
even if it would reach a different conclusion, or merely because substantial evidence also 
supports the contrary outcome.”  
Id.
 (citation omitted).  In reviewing the record for 

substantial evidence, the Court may not substitute its own judgment or findings of fact for 
that of the ALJ.  Hilkemeyer v. Barnhart, 
380 F.3d 441, 445
 (8th Cir. 2004).  “Assessing 
and resolving credibility is a matter properly within the purview of the ALJ.”  Chaney v. 
Colvin, 
812 F.3d 672, 676
 (8th Cir. 2016) (citing Edwards v. Barnhart, 
314 F.3d 964, 966
 (8th Cir. 2003) (“Our touchstone is that [a claimant’s] credibility is primarily a 

matter for the ALJ to decide.”).                                          
                       IV.  DISCUSSION                                   
    Plaintiff argues that the ALJ failed to account for the state agency psychologists’ 
opinions limiting her to brief and superficial interactions with others in a work setting 
with infrequent changes, and failed to identify any specific limitations in the RFC or in 
any explanation that could adequately account for these limitations.  (Dkt. 14 at 9-10.)  

    Plaintiff asserts that the state agency consulting psychologists separately evaluated 
her limitations and found that she could only engage in brief and superficial interactions 
with others, and while the ALJ found these opinions persuasive, the ALJ did not limit 
Plaintiff’s interactions with coworkers and supervisors to brief and superficial 
interactions.  (Dkt. 14 at 9-11.)  Instead, Plaintiff appears to assert that the ALJ 
improperly limited her to “occasional” interactions, even though the RFC makes no such 

reference.  (Id. at 11.)  Plaintiff goes on to argue that the ALJ committed reversible error 
by not including the limitation to “superficial” and “brief” interactions with others in the 
RFC, as state agency psychologists both opined that interactions must be superficial and 
brief.  (Id. at 11-12.)  According to Plaintiff, the limitation to occasional interactions 
contained in the RFC does not adequately account for the need to have superficial and 

brief interactions, as the terms “occasional” and “superficial” or “brief” are not 
coterminous.  (Id.)  Plaintiff also argues that the inclusion by the ALJ in the RFC of the 
no “lower than ‘8’ on the people scale of the DOT, 1991 revised edition” is also not an 
adequate translation for superficial contact.  (Id. at 12-13.)            
    The Commissioner counters that Plaintiff does not challenge the supportability and 

consistency analysis with respect to the state agency psychologists and instead challenges 
the ALJ’s choice to offer specificity regarding work restrictions instead of adopting 
vague terms like “brief” or “superficial.”  (Dkt. 16 at 8-10.)  The Commissioner contends 
that any argument that the ALJ needed to use specific words like “brief” or “superficial” 
is meritless, as the ALJ has no duty to replicate or parrot an opinion’s limitation in her 
RFC finding.  (Id. at 8-10.)  The Commissioner also argued, in part, that even assuming 

that the ALJ was required to include a specific limitation of brief interactions with others, 
such a failure would not be of any consequence since all of the of the jobs relied on by 
the ALJ had the lowest level of possible interaction with people under the DOT and 
involved unskilled work.  (Id. at 11-12 & n.9.)  In addition, the Commissioner argues that 
substantial evidence in the record as whole supports the RFC with respect to social 
functioning.  (Id. at 12-15.)                                             

    A claimant’s RFC is the “most [she] can do despite his limitations, including both 
physical and mental limitations.”  LeeAnthony C. v. Berryhill, Case No. 18-cv-77 
(NEB/TNL), 
2019 WL 2343732
, at *3 (D. Minn. May 13, 2019) (citing 
20 C.F.R. § 416.945
).  An ALJ’s determination of “a claimant’s RFC must be ‘based on all of the 
relevant evidence, including the medical records, observations of treating physicians and 

others, and an individual’s own description of [his] limitations.”  
Id.
 (quoting Myers v. 
Colvin, 
721 F.3d 521, 527
 (8th Cir. 2013)).  “The RFC is a function-by-function 
assessment based upon all of the relevant evidence of an individual’s ability to do work-
related activities.”  Ackerman v. Kijakazi, Case No. 4:21-CV-814 PLC, 
2023 WL 2496839
, at *4 (E.D. Mo. March 14, 2023) (quoting Roberson v. Astrue, 
481 F.3d 1020, 1023
 (8th Cir. 2007)) (cleaned up).  “Because a claimant’s RFC is a medical question, an 
ALJ’s assessment of it must be supported by some medical evidence of the claimant’s 
ability to function in the workplace.”  
Id.
 (quoting Combs v. Berryhill, 
878 F.3d 642, 646
) 
(8th Cir. 2017)).                                                         
    As stated previously, the ALJ imposed nonexertional limitations in the RFC, 
finding Plaintiff limited with respect to social functioning as follows:  

    [R]egarding social interactions, the individual can respond appropriately to 
    supervision, co-workers, and usual work situations, but no complex team 
    work or other social interaction requiring a code lower than “8” on the people 
    scale of the DOT, 1991 revised edition.                              

(R. 113.)  State agency psychologists opined as to Plaintiff: “Due to psych sxs, mild 
paranoia and social isolation, [Plaintiff] is able to interact briefly and superficially with 
public and others in a work setting.”  (R. 185.)                          
    In analyzing the state agency psychologists’ opinions, the ALJ found as follows: 
    Although the State Agency psychological consultants at the reconsideration 
    and initial levels did not examine the claimant, they provided specific reasons 
    for their opinions about the claimant’s residual functional capacity reflecting 
    the consultants grounded their opinions in the evidence in the case record, 
    including careful consideration of the treating opinions and the claimant’s 
    allegations  about  her  symptoms  and  limitations.  I  found  the  evidence 
    received  into  the  record  after  the  reconsideration  determination  did  not 
    provide any new or material information that would alter the State Agency 
    psychological consultants’ opinion about the claimant’s residual functional 
    capacity.  I  found  their  opinions  persuasive.  I  note  I  used  different 
    vocational terminology than the State Agency psychological consultants. 
    (Exhibits C3A and C5A)                                               

(R. 119 (emphasis added).)                                                

    As noted previously, Plaintiff argues that the inclusion by the ALJ in the RFC of 
the no lower than “8” on the people scale of the DOT is not an adequate translation for 
superficial contact.  (Id. at 12-13.)  According to Appendix B of the DOT, the fifth 
number of the nine-digit code reflects the job’s relationship to people.  See Dictionary of 
Occupational Titles, App. B—Explanation of Data, People, & Things, 
1991 WL 688701
.  
The DOT rates the amount of interaction with people on a scale of 0-8, with 8 
representing the lowest possible level of human interaction that exists in the labor force.  
See Toni M. P. v. O’Malley, No. 23-CV-013-MTS, 
2024 WL 988382
, at *7 (N.D. Okla. 

Mar. 7, 2024) (quoting Lane v. Colvin, 
643 F. App’x 766
, 770 n.1 (10th Cir. 2016)) 
(“‘The DOT rates the amount of interaction with people on a scale of 0-8, with 8 
representing the lowest possible level of human interaction that exists in the labor 
force.’”).  That ranking describes the need to take instructions as only “[a]ttending to the 
work assignment instructions or orders of supervisor” with “[n]o immediate response 
required unless clarification of instructions or orders is needed.” 
1991 WL 688701
.  By 

way of comparison, the ranking of interactions with people under the DOT, including 
level 8, is as follows:                                                   
    PEOPLE: Human beings; also animals dealt with on an individual basis as 
    if they were human.                                                  

    0 Mentoring: Dealing with individuals in terms of their total personality in 
    order to advise, counsel, and/or guide them with regard to problems that 
    may  be  resolved  by  legal,  scientific,  clinical,  spiritual,  and/or  other 
    professional principles.                                             

    1 Negotiating: Exchanging ideas, information, and opinions with others to 
    formulate  policies  and  programs  and/or  arrive  jointly  at  decisions, 
    conclusions, or solutions.                                           

    2 Instructing: Teaching subject matter to others, or training others (including 
    animals) through explanation, demonstration, and supervised practice; or 
    making recommendations on the basis of technical disciplines.        

    3 Supervising: Determining or interpreting work procedures for a group of 
    workers,  assigning  specific  duties  to  them,  maintaining  harmonious 
    relations  among  them,  and  promoting  efficiency.  A  variety  of 
    responsibilities is involved in this function.                       

    4 Diverting: Amusing others, usually through the medium of stage, screen, 
    television, or radio.                                                
    5 Persuading: Influencing others in favor of a product, service, or point of 
    view.                                                                

    6 Speaking-Signaling: Talking with and/or signaling people to convey or 
    exchange information. Includes giving assignments and/or directions to 
    helpers or assistants.                                               

    7 Serving: Attending to the needs or requests of people or animals or the 
    expressed or implicit wishes of people. Immediate response is involved. 

    8  Taking  Instructions-Helping:  Attending  to  the  work  assignment 
    instructions or orders of supervisor. (No immediate response required unless 
    clarification of instructions or orders is needed.) Helping applies to “non-
    learning” helpers.                                                   

Id.
                                                                       
    According to the DOT, “[a]s each of the relationships to People represents a wide 
range of complexity, resulting in considerable overlap among occupations, their 
arrangement is somewhat arbitrary and can be considered a hierarchy only in the most 
general sense.”  
Id.
                                                      
    Plaintiff relies on Tiffany B. v. Kijakazi, No. 22-CV-1227 (ECT/DLM), 
2023 WL 3958424
 (D. Minn. May 22, 2023), R. & R. adopted, 
2023 WL 3955348
 (D. Minn. June 
12, 2023), for the proposition that the ALJ’s decision to alter or substitute the people 
rating scale for agency experts’ limitation to superficial contact was flawed.  (Dkt.14 at 
13-14.)  The facts in Tiffany B. are distinguishable from the present case.  In Tiffany B., 
the issue presented to the Court was as follows:                          
    Plaintiff asserts that in determining her RFC, the ALJ inexplicably omitted 
    certain  limitations  recommended  by  two  state  psychological  experts, 
    resulting in an RFC that did not reflect her actual impairments, and did so 
    without the explanation legally required under 
20 C.F.R. § 416
.920c. Drs. 
    Boyd and Biscardi both opined that Plaintiff's workplace interactions must 
    be “brief” and “superficial.” (Tr. at 234, 250.) The ALJ omitted these two 
    limitations from Plaintiff’s RFC, however, instead finding that Plaintiff could 
    tolerate “occasional” workplace interactions without comment on the length 
    or quality of each contact.                                          

2023 WL 3958424
, at *2 (internal footnotes omitted).  The court went on to consider 
whether the ALJ’s partial rejection of the prior administrative medical findings by the 
state experts was harmless error:                                         
    Whether the error here was harmless presents a close question. The ALJ 
    determined that someone with Plaintiff's limitations could perform the jobs 
    of document preparer, touch-up screener, and semi-conductor bonder. (Tr. at 
    31.) As the Commissioner correctly notes, each of these jobs already assume 
    a “Level 8” amount of interpersonal interaction, which is the lowest level 
    recognized by the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. See DOT App'x B, 
    Explanation of Data, People and Things (identifying Level 8 interactions as 
    “[a]ttending to the work assignment instructions or orders of supervisor. (No 
    immediate response required unless clarification of instructions or orders is 
    needed.)”). According to the Commissioner, swapping Plaintiff's requested 
    language about the quality and duration of interpersonal interactions into her 
    RFC  would  make  no  difference,  since  Level  8  jobs  already  assume  an 
    extremely limited amount of interpersonal contact.                   

    In  prefacing  the  description  of  its  eight  different  “levels”  of  “People” 
    relationships, the DOT cautions that “each of the relationships to People 
    represents a wide range of complexity, resulting in considerable overlap 
    among occupations,” such that “their arrangement is somewhat arbitrary and 
    can be considered a hierarchy only in the most general sense.” DOT App’x 
    B, Explanation of Data, People and Things (Preamble). Put more simply, the 
    DOT’s quantification of the “level” of interpersonal interaction necessary for 
    each  job  is  imprecise.  As  such,  the  Court  declines  the  Commissioner's 
    invitation to assume that each and every Level 8 job could satisfy a limitation 
    that the claimant only have brief and superficial workplace interactions. 

Id. at *5
; see also Nathan L. v. O'Malley, No. 23-CV-1310 (JWB/DJF), 
2024 WL 3015139
, at *6 (D. Minn. May 3, 2024), R. & R. adopted, 
2024 WL 3014866
 (D. Minn. 
June 14, 2024).                                                           
    Here, however, the ALJ found the state agency experts’ opinions persuasive and 
specifically noted that he used different vocational terminology, and ultimately included 

in the RFC that Plaintiff could not engage in any “complex team work or other social 
interaction requiring a code lower than ‘8’ on the people scale of the DOT, 1991 revised 
edition.”  (R. 113.)  As set forth above, the ALJ in Tiffany B. did not include the specific 
Level 8 limitation in the RFC, instead using “occasional” workplace interactions with 
others instead of the “brief” and “superficial” contacts opined by the agency experts. 
    While Plaintiff focuses on what she characterizes as the imprecise nature of the 

DOT’s hierarchy of the levels in the ranking of interactions with people, she seeks a 
ruling that the ALJ erred by failing to limit her to superficial contacts.  But “the term 
‘superficial’ is defined by neither the DOT nor in Social Security regulations, SSRs, or 
HALLEX.”  Amber L. v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec. Admin., No. 3:21-CV-00202, 
2022 WL 2948952
, at *6 (S.D. Ohio July 26, 2022), R. & R. adopted, 
2022 WL 3226351
 (S.D. 

Ohio Aug. 10, 2022).  Indeed, as one court has explained:                 
    “Superficial” social interaction has no regulatory definition. And while the 
    state agency psychologists opined Plaintiff should be limited to superficial 
    interactions,  neither  defined  what  “superficial”  meant.  Accordingly, 
    precisely  how  the  RFC’s  limitations  differ  from  superficial  interaction 
    limitations—if they do at all—is unclear.                            

Sasha M. v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., No. 2:22-CV-2101, 
2023 WL 1793536
, at *9 (S.D. 
Ohio Feb. 7, 2023) (citing Reeves v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec., 
618 F. App’x 267, 276
 (6th 
Cir. 2015)) (citations omitted).  The Eighth Circuit has recently rejected arguments that 
the failure to parrot the term “superficial” requires automatic reversal of the ALJ’s denial 
of benefits, especially where the ALJ addressed the quality of a claimant’s workplace 
interactions:                                                             

    Lane  argues  that  the  ALJ’s  reference  to  “occasional”  interactions  is 
    inconsistent with the shared opinion of two psychologists, which the ALJ 
    found persuasive, that he could have “superficial” interactions. He reasons 
    that because the terms are different—the former being about quantity and the 
    latter  about  quality—omitting  the  psychologists’  limitation  renders  the 
    expert’s conclusion unreliable and the ALJ’s decision without substantial 
    evidence.                                                            

    We reject this manufactured inconsistency. The psychologists noted that 
    Lane could relate to others superficially, work in small groups, and maintain 
    at  least  minimal  relationships  with  others.  Nothing  in  the  reference  to 
    “occasional”  interactions  conflicts  with  that  opinion.  And  the  ALJ, 
    considering the entire record, addressed the quality of Lane’s workplace 
    interactions: no team, tandem, or public-facing work. We decline to nitpick 
    its well-reasoned decision.                                          

Lane v. O’Malley, No. 23-1432, 
2024 WL 302395
, at *1 (8th Cir. Jan. 26, 2024) (citation 
omitted) (emphasis added).                                                
    Even acknowledging that the ranking of the DOT’s description of its eight 
different “levels” of people can be considered a hierarchy only in the most general sense, 
it still remains that a people relationship code of 8 represents the lowest possible level of 
human interaction that exists in the labor force.  The Court concludes that the ALJ’s 
reference to no complex teamwork or other social interaction requiring a code lower than 
“8” on the people scale does not conflict with the opinions of the state agency 
psychologists.  Indeed, courts have concluded that an RFC limitation of social interaction 
limitation of 8 on the people scale of the DOT is consistent with limitations of brief and 
superficial interactions with people in the workplace.  See, e.g., Joseph J. B. v. Comm’r of 
Soc. Sec., No. 1:23-CV-00652 (BKS/CFH), 
2024 WL 4217371
, at *14 (N.D.N.Y. Aug. 
29, 2024) (“Positions categorized as involving level 8 interaction can be performed by 

individuals who require limited interaction with supervisors and others.”) (collecting 
cases and quotation marks omitted), R. & R. adopted sub nom., 
2024 WL 4216048
 
(N.D.N.Y. Sept. 17, 2024); Ammie Y. v. Kijakazi, No. 2:22-CV-00126-RHW, 
2023 WL 6367659
, at *1 (E.D. Wash. Sept. 29, 2023) (“Courts have determined that level 8 
interaction is compatible with an RFC limiting a claimant to only superficial contact with 
coworkers, supervisors, and the public.”) (citations omitted); Scott C. v. Comm’r of Soc. 

Sec., No. 2:20-CV-00109, 
2021 WL 2682276
, at *5 (D. Vt. June 30, 2021) (“Courts have 
held that level 8 interaction is compatible with an RFC limiting a claimant to only 
superficial contact with coworkers, supervisors, and the public.”) (cleaned up); Alie v. 
Berryhill, No. 4:16CV1353, 
2017 WL 2572287
, *16 (E.D. Mo. June 14, 2017) (finding 
that “[l]evel 8 interaction is compatible with a[n] RFC limiting a claimant to only 

superficial contact with coworkers, supervisors, and the public.”) (citation omitted); 
Connor v. Colvin, No. 1:13-cv-00219-JAW, 
2014 WL 3533466
, at *4 (D. Me. July 16, 
2014) (construing a rating of “not significant” for the category “People: 8 – Taking 
Instructions – Helping” as “consistent with limitations to occasional, brief, and 
superficial contact with coworkers and supervisors”) (citations omitted); see generally, 

Flaherty v. Halter, 
182 F. Supp. 2d 824, 851
 (D. Minn. 2001) (finding jobs with “not 
significant” levels of social interaction at Level 6 under the DOT compatible with ALJ’s 
limitation to “brief superficial type of contact with co-workers and supervisors and 
members of the public as a part of the job task[s]”).                     
    The decision in Katie R. v. O’Malley, No. CV 23-1139 (PAM/DLM), 
2024 WL 1050822
 (D. Minn. Mar. 11, 2024), also supports the ALJ’s decision to incorporate a 

brief and superficial limitation to level 8 of the DOT.  In Katie R., the ALJ determined 
that the plaintiff was limited to “brief and superficial interaction with coworkers and 
supervisors meaning the fifth digit of the DOT code is a 6, 7, or 8.”  (23-cv-1139, Dkt. 8 
at R. 47.)  The plaintiff argued that the ALJ erred in formulating her RFC by defining 
“brief and superficial contact” as limited to jobs in which the “fifth digit of the DOT code 
is a 6, 7, or 8.”  Katie R., 
2024 WL 1050822
, at *2 (footnote omitted).  The court 

disagreed, finding:                                                       
    [T]he ALJ did not err in defining what he meant by “superficial” with 
    reference to the DOT code. Rather, “[t]he ALJ expounded on the definition 
    of ‘superficial’ in the context of Plaintiff’s RFC, in essence describing how 
    a  vocational  expert  might  incorporate  the  limitation  into  the  expert’s 
    evaluation of whether jobs exist in the national economy that are consistent 
    with Plaintiff’s functional limitations.”                            

Id.
 at *3 (quoting Jamie E. v. Kijakazi, No. 22-CV-2393 (ECT/JFD), 
2023 WL 5021807
, 
at *2 (D. Minn. Aug. 7, 2023)).                                           
    Further, it is important to note, as argued by the Commissioner (Dkt. 16 at 12 n.9), 
that the ALJ limited Plaintiff to unskilled work.  (R. 60.)  “The basic mental demands of 
competitive, remunerative, unskilled work include the abilities (on a sustained basis) to 
understand, carry out, and remember simple instructions; to respond appropriately to 
supervision, coworkers, and usual work situations; and to deal with changes in a routine 
work setting.”  Social Security Ruling 83-15, Titles II & XVI: Capability to Do Other 
Work—The Medical-Vocational Rules as a Framework for Evaluating Solely    
Nonexertional Impairments, 
1985 WL 56857
, at *4 (Social Sec. Admin. Jan. 1, 1985).  
“A substantial loss of ability to meet any of these basic work-related activities would 

severely limit the potential occupational base.”  
Id.
  “These jobs ordinarily involve 
dealing primarily with objects, rather than with data or people. . . .”  
Id.
 (emphasis 
added).  This is the type of work the ALJ set forth in the RFC.  See Jennifer O. v. 
O’Malley, No. 22-CV-2273 (KMM/ECW), 
2024 WL 86277
, at *4 (D. Minn. Jan. 8, 
2024) (finding that limitations regarding social interactions in the workplace are 
“‘commonplace in unskilled work that involves ‘dealing primarily with objects, rather 

than with data or people,’ which is the type of work that the ALJ recommended for Ms. 
O.”) (quoting Dereschuk v. Colvin, No. 15-CV-86 (TNL), 
2016 WL 9454329
, at *25 (D. 
Minn. Mar. 28, 2016), quoting SSR 85-15, 
1985 WL 56857
, at *4)), aff’d sub nom. 
Dereschuk v. Berryhill, 
691 F. App’x 292
 (8th Cir. 2017)).                
    Based on the record as a whole, the Court finds that the RFC, including the ALJ’s 

omission of Plaintiff’s preferred language of a “brief” and “superficial” interactions with 
others was not in error and is supported by substantial evidence.  To the extent that 
Plaintiff is arguing that the RFC should have been more restrictive, there is simply no 
evidence she was having difficulty interacting with others to the level that would require 
additional restrictions.  The record supports that overall, Plaintiff enjoyed and sought out 

being around other people, and to the extent that she had issues with others, she was able 
to appropriately deal with interpersonal conflicts.  (See, e.g., R. 670, 677, 682, 687, 710, 
711, 717, 725, 728, 734, 810, 851, 926, 1003, 1005, 1009, 1063.)  A claimant’s daily 
activities are one factor an ALJ must consider when evaluating the claimant’s testimony 
and subjective limitations.  See Swarthout v. Kijakazi, 
35 F.4th 608, 612
 (8th Cir. 2022) 
(“While daily activities alone do not disprove disability, they are a factor to consider in 

evaluating subjective complaints of pain.”).  Further, outside of an occasional anxious 
mood or an articulation of anger (managed with medication and counseling (see Milam v. 
Colvin, 
794 F.3d 978, 985
 (8th Cir. 2015) (holding that a pattern of limited and 
conservative treatment is a proper factor for an ALJ to consider in weighing subjective 
reports)), Plaintiff’s mental examinations during the relevant period were largely normal 
and stable (see, e.g., R. 678, 683, 688, 692, 710, 711, 717, 725, 800, 822, 915, 1000, 

1003, 1005, 1007, 1009).                                                  
                   V.  RECOMMENDATION                                    
    Based on the above, and on the files, records, and proceedings herein, IT IS 
RECOMMENDED that:                                                         
    1.   Plaintiff’s request for reversal or remand of the Commissioner’s decision 

(Dkt. 14) be DENIED;                                                      
    2.   The Commissioner’s request that the Court affirm the decision (Dkt. 16) be 
GRANTED; and                                                              
    3.   The Complaint (Dkt. 1) be DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE.             


DATED:  October 18, 2024           s/Elizabeth Cowan Wright               
                                  ELIZABETH COWAN WRIGHT                 
                                  United States Magistrate Judge         
                            NOTICE                                       
This Report and Recommendation is not an order or judgment of the District Court and is 
therefore not appealable directly to the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals. 

Under District of Minnesota Local Rule 72.2(b)(1), “a party may file and serve specific 
written objections to a magistrate judge’s proposed finding and recommendations within 
14 days after being served a copy” of the Report and Recommendation.  A party may 
respond to those objections within 14 days after being served a copy of the objections. D. 
Minn. LR 72.2(b)(2).  All objections and responses must comply with the word or line 
limits set for in D. Minn. LR 72.2(c).                                    

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